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Posted: 11 months ago by dollyllama:
Poor fishies. That's terrible.
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Posted: 11 months ago by bunnysutra:
you can't inflict pain/damage on someone/thing and call it art. -- well, without consent anyway.
what a really really unfortunately stupid idea to follow through with.
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Posted: 11 months ago by leehblanc:
I say if he has the same waivers signed by the fish that he gets signed by humans... go for it! Of course, since fish can't hold a pen, this shouldn't be allowed.
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Posted: 11 months ago by MUPPETMAKER:
« bunnysutra : you can't inflict pain/damage on someone/thing and call it art. -- well, without consent anyway.
what a really really unfortunately stupid idea to follow through with. I wouldnt call this inflicting pain..
1 They have no proof that fish either feel or dont feel pain, they lack parts of the brain that allow pain production the way we do, though who really knows, as fish dont talk.
2. They are just tattooing the scales. For awhile they were injecting fish with ink, to make their fins or bodies neon. I had two of them (Bert and Ernie) and they lived longer then most of my other fish, and in fact were just as healthy and energetic as the rest of the fish.
I dont see any harm in this at all.
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Posted: 11 months ago by bunnysutra:
« MUPPETMAKER : I wouldnt call this inflicting pain..
1 They have no proof that fish either feel or dont feel pain, they lack parts of the brain that allow pain production the way we do, though who really knows, as fish dont talk.
2. They are just tattooing the scales. For awhile they were injecting fish with ink, to make their fins or bodies neon. I had two of them (Bert and Ernie) and they lived longer then most of my other fish, and in fact were just as healthy and energetic as the rest of the fish.
I dont see any harm in this at all. But...WHY?! why not just adopt colorful natural fish?
I agree to disagree.
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Posted: 11 months ago by MUPPETMAKER:
« bunnysutra : But...WHY?! why not just adopt colorful natural fish?
I agree to disagree. I did it for love. They didnt look happy in the tank at the pet store. And I needed to fill my required minimum for the tank I have. Well, it wasnt required, only personally required.
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Posted: 11 months ago by bunnysutra:
« MUPPETMAKER : I did it for love. They didnt look happy in the tank at the pet store. And I needed to fill my required minimum for the tank I have. Well, it wasnt required, only personally required. And on my end, I was completely shaken up when in a game of catch in the house, a Sea Monkey was knocked out of it's habitat. We got the little dude safely back in his home though. Thank goodness!
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Posted: 11 months ago by abandonedcouch:
According to someone on there, the tattoos are done with a laser and are painless to the fish; the fish never even leave the water.
Most of the people freaking out on the website sound like idiots to me. It reminds me of the funny animal videos on YouTube where five comments in, people start going "OMG THAT POOR ABUSED CAT U MADE IT CHASE AFTER A LAZER FOR YOUR OWN ENTERTAINMENT CANT U SEE IT SUFFERING POOR KITTY :(((("
And someone made a good point when they said that impaling a fish on a fish hook is probably a lot more traumatizing than a tattoo.
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Posted: 11 months ago by gammerus:
« abandonedcouch : According to someone on there, the tattoos are done with a laser and are painless to the fish; the fish never even leave the water. I have a hard time believing that anything like that could be painless, and I would like to find another source befor I could make up my mind on the subject.
And someone made a good point when they said that impaling a fish on a fish hook is probably a lot more traumatizing than a tattoo.
True, but that is kind of an irrelevant point. Childbirth may be more painful than a bruise, but the bruise still hurts.
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Posted: 11 months ago by Pocksucket:
« gammerus : I have a hard time believing that anything like that could be painless, and I would like to find another source befor I could make up my mind on the subject.
Here you are
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Posted: 11 months ago by gammerus:
Wow, that was vague. I am more confused now than I was before.
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Posted: 11 months ago by pocksucket:
« gammerus : Wow, that was vague. I am more confused now than I was before. Seems pretty cut and dried to me.
The people tattooing the fish say it's not a problem, everyone else says it causes undue suffering, but DEFRA won't ban the practice.
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Posted: 11 months ago by abandonedcouch:
I for one don't entirely condone the practice, but at the same time I wouldn't be surprised if the a lot same people up in arms about how unnatural it is to chance a fish's appearance to appeal to consumers have never even given a thought to the practice of selective breeding in prize dog and cat breeds and the terrible health complications they cause.
I just think there are more important animal injustices in the world to get fired up about.
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Posted: 11 months ago by gammerus:
« pocksucket : Seems pretty cut and dried to me.
The people tattooing the fish say it's not a problem, everyone else says it causes undue suffering, but DEFRA won't ban the practice. So I know as little now as I did before. I don't trust husbandry sites when it comes to fish because it is all about making the owner happy, not the fish.
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Posted: 11 months ago by gammerus:
« abandonedcouch :
I just think there are more important animal injustices in the world to get fired up about. That is a disgusting attitude to have. It doesn't matter how big or small a problem is, if it is causing pain people should speak out.
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Posted: 11 months ago by Pocksucket:
« gammerus : So I know as little now as I did before. I don't trust husbandry sites when it comes to fish because it is all about making the owner happy, not the fish. I would generally trust retailers who are saying not to buy something like this - they could make money, but are trying to block the trade. In the balance of money compared to ethics, if the trader is saying ethics, then I'd expect it to be quite bad.
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Posted: 11 months ago by gammerus:
« Pocksucket : I would generally trust retailers who are saying not to buy something like this - they could make money, but are trying to block the trade. In the balance of money compared to ethics, if the trader is saying ethics, then I'd expect it to be quite bad. This is true, But when it comes to something as iffy as fish I try to find someone who has no stake in it whatsoever.. when I stop being lazy I will look up some stuff on it later.
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Posted: 11 months ago by Pocksucket:
« gammerus : This is true, But when it comes to something as iffy as fish I try to find someone who has no stake in it whatsoever.. when I stop being lazy I will look up some stuff on it later. Let me know if you do find any more info.
My mind is pretty much set on this anyway - cruel or not I'd no more buy a tattooed fish than I would a tattooed kitten, but I'd be interested to see what the impact would be in the fish.
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Posted: 11 months ago by abandonedcouch:
« Pocksucket :
My mind is pretty much set on this anyway - cruel or not I'd no more buy a tattooed fish than I would a tattooed kitten, but I'd be interested to see what the impact would be in the fish. Likewise. I'm not one for designer ANYTHING when it comes to animals. Both my cat and my dog are rescues, and while I think they're gorgeous and unique, I doubt a lot of people would shell out much cash to have pets that resemble them. I'm just not going to work myself into a tizzy over it until I know whether or not it has a negative impact on the fish. Perhaps that does mean I have a disgusting attitude. I don't particularly give a s**t.
Those who argue about what an atrocity this is fail to realize that humans have had a hand in altering animals' natures and appearances for centuries. Your beloved cat or dog is NOT a product of nature, it is a product of selective breeding to acheive a desired outcome, often at the expense of the breed's health and genetics. And yes, that doesn't exactly justify the practice of dyeing fish, but at the same time, I get the sad feeling that a lot of the people on that particular site who are decrying this new brand of designer pet also have little toy dogs with weak bone structure and poor respiration, all in the name of producing a visually appealing pet.
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