Victim: Gang-Rape Cover-Up by U.S., Halliburton/KBR
Victim: Gang-Rape Cover-Up by U.S., Halliburton/KBR
A Houston, Texas woman says she was gang-raped by Halliburton/KBR coworkers in Baghdad, and the company and the U.S. government are covering up the incident. picked by muppet 10 months ago
tags halliburton gang-rape rape coworkers baghdad government
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 gammerus
10 months ago
I believe that.
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 dollylla...
10 months ago
I believe her too. Yet another Halliburton abomination.
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 2manyuse...
10 months ago
OF course there will be some who will believe it.

Sadly their belief isn't based on facts or any actual personal knowledge of the situation, not even a hunch based on body language or any sort of reading of the people involved. Certainly not based on any evidence.

For some people the whole concept of innocent before proven guilty goes out the door when it involves anyone/thing connected to the current administration.

If she has proof, great, present it. Also let it be tried in a court of LAW, not the media.
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 tundramo...
10 months ago
Having been the sole woman in a remote location with several to many men.... I completely believe her.

I think it's terrible that Halliburton wants to keep the whole thing out of court. If she is indeed lying [and I highly doubt she is], then why not let a judge and jury decide?
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 dollylla...
10 months ago
« 2manyusernames : OF course there will be some who will believe it.

Sadly their belief isn't based on facts or any actual personal knowledge of the situation, not even a hunch based on body language or any sort of reading of the people involved. Certainly not based on any evidence.

For some people the whole concept of innocent before proven guilty goes out the door when it involves anyone/thing connected to the current administration.

If she has proof, great, present it. Also let it be tried in a court of LAW, not the media.
How convenient that the State Department turned the evidence (rape kit) over to the very organization that committed the atrocity. I believe it. I'm not on a jury where my feelings might be more impartial. I'm standing as a citizen of the US having seen this happen one too many times. I'm standing as a woman who, in the military, was subjected to abuses and had no real recourse and no concrete evidence. I'm standing as someone who is certain, beyond a reasonable doubt, that this goes on all the time, in many organizations (perhaps not to this degree or perhaps to a worse degree) and to many different people too ashamed, too scared or too uncorroborated to even dare speak out. Good on her. Will she prevail? Probably not, but I believe her.
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 gammerus
10 months ago
The recruiters never tell you about this aspect.
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 germz
10 months ago
This is rediculous
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 kana
10 months ago
As a former forensic chemist who spent many, many hours following chain of evidence procedures this whole thing stinks. The Army doctors examined her, believed there was enough evidence she was raped to warrant collecting specimens, packaged up the rape kit, and submitted it to someone.

In a proper chain of evidence procedures every single step is documented. The doctor would sign their line of the rape kit paperwork, the receiver would countersign their line, & then BOTH get a receipt. The same procedure would be followed even if the receiver was only a courier.

Evidentally all this did not happen. If what seems to have happened did happen in the states, it would probably be prosecuted as felony evidence tampering. (DA's really hate that type of stuff.) But this is Iraq, the fronline in the war on terror, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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 marli
10 months ago
« 2manyusernames : Also let it be tried in a court of LAW, not the media.
It's been two years and no charges have been filed- exactly what is she supposed to do? Sit around and wait for something that very powerful people want to keep from happening? Or stand up for herself and get this issue out, publicized, and get a little public outrage going so that hopefully something will be done?
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 2manyuse...
10 months ago
« marli : It's been two years and no charges have been filed- exactly what is she supposed to do? Sit around and wait for something that very powerful people want to keep from happening? Or stand up for herself and get this issue out, publicized, and get a little public outrage going so that hopefully something will be done?
You are right, that does put a different spin on the matter. I still do not like the fact that people are just assuming that the accused is guilty. I don't like it, but I can understand it.
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 2manyuse...
10 months ago
People are determining that the accused are guilty based on no evidence of any sort. Just because she is a woman in a remote location, just because this has happened before, just because the may happen "all the time" does not mean it is happening this time.

People are quick to hang the accused just because they are males or haliburton, or military, or whatever. That is sad. If someone was to say "well blacks commit crimes all the time so this black person must be guilty", that person would be looked on as a bigot. Deciding the guilt based on ZERO evidence, nothing but the accusers testimony is prejudicial.

If it was one of your relatives or friend you would be quick to say he's innocent and demand proof.

Alas this won't change. A woman is always assumed to be telling the truth is such matters.

I will say the loss (or possible destruction?) of the rape kit is distressing and does give some weight to her allegations.

I am NOT saying she is lying. She may very well be telling the truth. I will even say there is a better than 50% chance she is telling the truth. I am merely saying that this case should be treated as any other. The accused should be considered innocent until proven guilty.
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 dollylla...
10 months ago
« 2manyusernames : People are determining that the accused are guilty based on no evidence of any sort. Just because she is a woman in a remote location, just because this has happened before, just because the may happen "all the time" does not mean it is happening this time.

People are quick to hang the accused just because they are males or haliburton, or military, or whatever. That is sad. If someone was to say "well blacks commit crimes all the time so this black person must be guilty", that person would be looked on as a bigot. Deciding the guilt based on ZERO evidence, nothing but the accusers testimony is prejudicial.

If it was one of your relatives or friend you would be quick to say he's innocent and demand proof.

Alas this won't change. A woman is always assumed to be telling the truth is such matters.

I will say the loss (or possible destruction?) of the rape kit is distressing and does give some weight to her allegations.

I am NOT saying she is lying. She may very well be telling the truth. I will even say there is a better than 50% chance she is telling the truth. I am merely saying that this case should be treated as any other. The accused should be considered innocent until proven guilty.
If I were on a jury yes. I'm just giving my gut reaction and until I'm put on the jury, I can surmise anything I want.

But it's not exactly without some basis that we can find her story to be believable. It's been 2 years, to come forward at this point would seem suspect if it were just made up out of whole cloth. There's a state rep involved, who apparently has been involved from the beginning, who believes her. There is this:
Poe says his office contacted the State Department, which quickly dispatched agents from the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad to Jones' camp, where they rescued her from the container.
which certainly corroborates that part of her story.

And then add in the company involved and the situation of "boys will be boys" (which really happens way too much) and it's completely plausible and believable.

So, I don't think we're just coming up with a knee-jerk reaction, I think we're seeing definitive signs pointing to guilt and since we're not on a jury, we have the luxury of assigning that guilt if we so choose. Especially in light of the fact that this will probably NEVER get heard before a jury, probably not even a courtroom (as this organization is pushing towards arbitration).
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 markk
9 months ago
This whole thing stinks!!! where is the investigation of Haliburton...what happened to this girls right????
When are the jackals that run this country going to stop the damn cover ups and find the scum that raped this girl and put them in a deep pit where they belong???
I don't give a damn about the water boarding of terrorists to get information and I don't think any other American with an IQ over 5 does either.
When the hell is our government going to do the RIGHT thing and investigate this brutality against this young woman and bring stop the coverup and stonewalling....
I pay taxes for what??????????
Not this type of crap against US citizens here or abroad!!!!!
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