*Comes out from foxhole.*

Is...is it over?

*pauses*

Praise the lawd! I believe this is peace in our time for realz. =)

*shelling resumes*

s**t!

Neither are clothes, televisions, or automobiles, but I bet you use all three of those daily. And actually, homosexuality does happen in nature. It just doesn't happen as often as heterosexuality or bisexuality (which happens quite frequently).

Oh, for f**k's sake. If you don't like the fact that we're debating, then leave. I really don't understand why it's so hard for some people to understand that there's a little "x" button that closes the window at the top right of their screen.

1thirteen3, you say that doggylives has an inferior debate style, yet you can't even string a sentence together without producing numerous grammatical and spelling errors, and this is the internet, get a spell checker!

One further point, debate is a process that involves the discussion of opinion, but which ultimately relies on presenting facts to back up ones opinions. Given this criteria it is technically impossible for a theologian to ever win a debate, as their beliefs are, by their very nature, entirely without proof. A skilled atheist debater will general grind a theologian down to the point where all they can say to retort is "well that's what I believe, I don't need proof because I have faith".

So how about you abandon this pointless "debate" and cut to the chase, you believe regardless of what anyone says and despite any proof that is offered to you, you're brainwashed, essentially, even if you don't realise it.

End.

Wow, you must have read my mind. As for "Saving Space" that made me think of Plime as a notepad with rapidly depleting pages lmao.

As a self appointed "Dad" of Plime, I have only one thing to say.

If you two can't get along I am going to send you both to your rooms!

Which two? 0_o

It was more a generic than a specific. It's a "dad thing".

Oh, sweet. It'd be great getting sent to bed cos my kids are driving me nuts :D

*****WARNING LULZ DETECTED IN FOLLOWING LINKS*****

Atheism


Christianity


edit: oh yeah, nsfw

I'm supposed to be done with this page, I downvoted you mudkip, not because what you linked to was offensive, but if you look carefully at the top of the Atheism link and click the addish thing that asks if you were offended then you'd be a tad pissed/disturbed too.

It was just sick.

"Lulz detected in following links"
(Don't really care about the downvoting)

So if I'm a black person AND I am a Christian, you won't hate me for my skin color, but you will hate me for my religious beliefs?

To say that theists have "no proof" -*at all* regarding *any* aspect of their religion- is not true.

You might want to start with sites such as





There have also been archaelogical finds which have demonstrated that the Christian Scriptures are accurate / historically trustworthy. I'm sure if you googled it, you'd be able to find plenty of sites with such information.

Post Script. Atheists don't have any proof for their position, either :o)

What is the old argument... lemme see if I can find it online, as I don't think I could state it properly from memory...
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"The atheist would need to have complete knowledge of all time and space, and all dimensions, to know for sure that God does not exist. However, an atheist with such properties would be virtually ‘divine’ himself."

[An atheist responds:] An atheist needs do no more. An atheist does not need to prove that God does not exist — the theist must demonstrate that God does exist. [end of atheist's, T.B.'s, quote]

T.B. seems to be using the tactic of throwing the burden of proof on those asserting an affirmative proposition, e.g. ‘God exists’ as opposed to the negative proposition ‘God does not exist.’

But then an example of self-refutation occurs: the proposition: ‘The burden of proof falls on the affirmative position’ is itself an affirmative proposition, so requires proof in itself!

But this commonly overlooked point aside, as shown by the Encyclopædia Britannica, atheism is just as much an assertion as theism.

Therefore the burden of proof falls equally, and a fairer debate question would be ‘Does God exist?’

Also, atheists assert many affirmative statements without proof, eg. that the universe is either eternal or came into existence uncaused, non-living matter evolved into living cells by pure undirected chemistry, complex specified information arose without intelligence, design features arose without a designer, moral sensibilities arose out of amoral matter, etc.
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To read the rest of the page quoted above, here is the URL

I'm sorry, but I don't find this funny.

checkmate.

If you can show from any of my comments that I hate christians I'd not only be surprised but shocked.

Both you and 1thirteen3 mistake disagreeing with a persons beliefs with dislike/hate of the person who believes it.

I have no problem with individiuals who believe in God, a lot of my friends are Christians, but rather I have a problem with some of the things they believe in and I don't share their beliefs in God.

Unfortunately a lot of people are like 1thirteen3 and mistake people disagreeing with their beliefs as a personal attack. The only reason this debate got heated was when 1thirteen3 started preaching about hypocrisy and rudeness. The reason for this was that it's ok for christians to believe that gay people go to hell and it's ok for them to believe what they want and to put non-believers down and mock them but they scream and shout when it's the other way round.

So to sum up and answer your question, I don't hate any individuals, I dislike/hate/disagree with some concepts, religions and groups but not individuals.

I'll give an example, I HATE the kkk and organizations like these but I don't hate the individuals within the group, I hate what they stand for and disagree with it, but I don't hate the individual as they may be good people who will at some point change.

I totally disagree! If I walked up to my friends and said "I've got an invisible friend" initially they would laugh, then when I insisted enough and doubt set in one may say "Well prove it then" It wouldn't be reasonable or logical to expect them to provide the proof that I didn't have an imaginary friend.

If someone makes an assertion that something is or exists then the burden is on them to provide proof.

Every single religious person hurts this world. why? Because they believe in something that is not there because they are so afraid of death they WANT to believe it's something after death.

Face it Christianity was imposed by force with armies and wars and suffering and for someone to be a Christian today is plain stupid because you actually agree with all the killings your ancestors made if others didn't convert to Christianity.

There are a few religions like Buddhism that don't care if other believe them or join them they don't argue about my religion is better or not, how many post have you seen with a budhist arguing? you didnt and thats because they believe it for themselves and its not an afterlife religion it's a way of living.

When i see orthodoxism, catholicism, and al the s**t i see only manipulations, bribes, lies and greed. i don't believe god exists in any form, maybe we have another form after we die maybe we become energy or just maybe we live, get old , all gets black and we simply live to make friends, family, wives and then watch them die and eventually die ourselves. Life is a big pile of s**t but i try to leave it as good as i can and at the end maybe cheat death, if i cant at least i tried.