Not only has this thread devolved considerably, it's resulted in some serious backpost downvoting, both to my comments and others.

This will pass, and the numbers will climb back up, but- Jeez. Do you find this so threatening? I expected better from Plime. This is sad, really. It's the main reason I get disgusted with all the other sites. I'll give it more time, but the "run them out on a rail" mentality is going to turn this place into a one sided echo chamber.

I've done some backpost downvoting on someones comments because when someone comes to you attention and you start looking through their other comments and finding they've made rude comments that you strongly disagree with then thats what the downvote buttons there for.

I personally haven't downvoted any of your comments but if I'd have wanted to I would, like I've pointed out before, not only in these comments but others, this is a wiki site, you don't pay any money to come on it, you won't lose anything from being downvoted so why whine and moan when you do get downvoted.

As Mershaullk said, if you don't like a particular comment thread don't read it or downvote any comments you feel are out of order, rude or offensive.

I seriously wonder if some people have a life offline, I personally don't give a s**t about what numbers next to my name or who downvotes me, I have better things to worry about.

I don't understand the mentality of someone who comes on a site that allows users to downvote and upvote each other and then whines and b***hes that they've been downvoted.

MEH!!

Seriously, if I could give you all my little numbers from next to my name I genuinely would, as I can't do this I'm going to upvote as many of your comments and posts as I can to see if we can't right this terrible wrong thats been done to you.

**edit** I see you haven't submitted anything to contribute to Plime yet so I'll just upvote all your comments mmmmmkay?

Mobase I've even been through the forums and found some of your comments to upvote, obviously I can't find all your comments in the forum but I've tried.

You're welcome

Haha, you funny man!

Seriously, you can't win so don't try, everything you said there reeks of ignorance, and I simply can't be bothered to explain it to you, so how about YOU go and read about A) what atheists actually believe, and B) what constitutes proof.

I'll have to disagree with you on that one. Change your logon ID and post something on another forum, (or here, for that matter) and see how personal it gets when you attempt to call someone out for being deliberately abusive on this subject. Try it.

No. ACTIONS define a person. I could believe in a holy golden doorknob that talks to me when it goes up my backside, but at the end of the day, I am what I do, not what I say, or who I pray to. For example- Fred Phelps. If he is what he does, then he is a reprehensible human being. He hides behind his God, but his actions show he has serious mental issues. He uses religion and fear as a means of control.
Next- Mother Theresa. She expressed doubts, but at the end of the day, doubts or no- Her body of work speaks for her. She may have believed in a dead zombie jew, but she walked the walk.

You also choose what you do every day, race religion notwithstanding.Race doesn't excuse poor behavior any more than religion does.

Surely you can do better. Just because you can does that mean you should?

I'm sure I've seen that film. 0_o

I agree with one thing you said in your last comment and that is that it isn't right to mock people for their beliefs.

I totally believe that everyone has a right to challenge, disagree with, debate and disbelieve another's beliefs but as for outright mocking, no.

Hahahahahahah lmao.

It's getting tiring reading how you're deliberately twisting my words. I never said that disagreeing with my beliefs is a personal attack. In fact, I said that I encourage disagreement and debate. You, however, have been rude and insulting throughout the entire thread.

Here, I'll show you some of what you said in case you don't remember: Hypocrisy is when you say one thing but do the opposite. If you say that everyone should be treated with respect but turn around and say Christianity is a cancer, then you're being a hypocrite. That's what I was arguing with you about and you turned it into a religious debate.

And it's ok for you to believe Christians are horrible people. But to start calling names and to insinuate that Christianity is a cancer is not respectful and that's what I called you out on. It's not ok for Christians to mock ANYONE; I never said it was. I don't think it's ok for anybody to mock anyone else. But, unfortunately, you twist my words so much that you can't even see what I'm saying.

It's nice that you can go and make claims, but you're incorrect. Yes, I do make a few grammatical errors with my punctuation, but I type like I speak so as to get across the full point of what I'm trying to say. I have not misspelled one word during this entire thread, for when I type, my web browser has a spell checker. Stop making these unfounded accusations.
The debate was about doggylives hypocrisy, and he turned it into a debate about homosexuality. I got upset about the hypocrisy of those who cry for respect and equality but turn around and deride anyone that doesn't agree with them.

I am not brainwashed in any sort of way. I look for facts, first, and then make my decisions. No one tells me what to believe. Case in point: my parents and i get into CONSTANT disagreements on religion and politics. I hate a lot of what the church is doing right now. I form my own opinions, and if your only argument against me is that I'm brainwashed, you fail. You guys cannot use ad hominem attacks.

Ad hominem:

1 : Appealing to feelings rather than intellect

2 : Marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made.


You like that word. You use it out of context.

Ad hominem is, "You are an ignorant person, therefore your arguments are wrong", and not "Your arguments are wrong, therefore you are an ignorant person." The latter statement may be fallacious, but it's not an ad hominem arguement.

My problem isn't with individual Christians but with Christianity, I've said it all along. If you choose to believe that theres a god and that "sinners" go to hell and "good" people go to heaven good for you.

What's bugged me about your attitude is getting on your high-horse about me and some others making comments about Christianity you deemed "rude and insulting" and the fact that you called me out for my opinion on Christianity.

I don't wish to discuss this further with you, perhaps when you are a bit older you will learn that everyone has a right to believe what they want and to speak out against whatever they want.

If you go through life shouting and busting a blood vessel when people say things you don't agree with you're gonna be pretty miserable.

Perhaps you should be out partying more at your age instead of arguing about God on the internet.

Good luck kid, I won't be engaging again with you as this has gone on way too long. If you wish to make any further comments to or about me please PM me.

**edit** By definition, any argument for or about God/the bible is ad hominem as the both are based on faith alone and not intellect.

Oh and upvoting your own comments doesn't improve your rating and it's a bit uncool :D

You don't need proof to not believe in something
unless it is obvious that that something exists.

That argument can be turned right back around on you so it isn't logically sound.

Logic is proof in this case. If the burden of proof didn't fall on the affirmative position, I could claim that there is an invisible intangible unicorn sitting right next to you and you have to believe in it's almighty powers to go to the Elysian Fields when you die, and you would have to believe it because, hey, you don't have any proof that it isn't true.

The universe definitely isn't eternal in a steady-state sense. We know that by looking at cosmic microwave background radiation. As to it coming into existence uncaused, no one really knows. That's something that science has yet to figure out.

This is just common sense if you understand anything at all about Evolution.

That's not a affirmative position. Our position is that we don't think that it all arose with intelligence. Considering there's no evidence for such, I believe that we are also right.

There's a difference between design and designoid features.

Design - Something such as a pot or bowl, designed for something specific

Designoid - Something that seems as though it was designed but has really undergone some form of natural selection

This one just doesn't make sense.

I can't believe this is still being argued.

Good thing I stopped caring about trying to change anyone else's opinions long ago.

Yeah, what he said ^^

Also, Atheists don't assert that "god definitely does not exist", they assert that "it is possible that god exists, but it is VERY unlikely and entirely without evidence".

Seriously, though. This kind of stuff gets annoying. If you don't like the debate, don't come back. I find it odd that you came back after doing the same thing earlier. You obviously knew that you didn't like it, yet you have come back a second time.

I'm not sure TM has a problem with the comments here. Her previous post here was a joke due to something we were talking about.

I'm not being funny I'm just saying I don't think TM has anything to do with the asshatery in this post.

Well, holy d**k!
Is this STILL going on?
Ha ha ha ha...
Oh, Plime.
You so crazy.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, upvoting your own comments will not improve your rating. No, not even if you wish really hard and cross your fingers and stroke your lucky rabbits foot.

And lets face it, it's a little bit sad.