That was what made me start this thread. She was the day before yesterday's stats leader.

She was a very prolific poster.

so all the upvotes were 3 days ago on posts made a year ago and longer, hell, Icepigs was a 1 then. I see what you mean Mr. the Klub. very interesting.

Karma... it's what's for dinner!

I can't believe I missed this thread. There are alot of valid points in here. Though, I think that some of the opinions expressed in this thread have more than likely changed in the past month.

OK. now I don't wanteveryone to rush off and start some crzy downvote thing but please read on....

Some of you may have noticed that I haven't been as active on Plime recently, with me being back at work and having Maddison around I don't seem to have enough hours in the day as I used to.

When I do get a chance to come onto Plime I like to participate and keep up to date with things that are happening in our little community. One such time was earlier this evening. I came online and noticed this post with 2 comments. I answered the comments as best I could and was insulted and downvoted for doing so.

This isn't why I come to Plime.

This isn't a suicide note of any kind as I love this place and a good number of the people on here. It is however me saying I'm stepping back a bit from it all for a while, I will still be around and I'll still be taking part but maybe not as much.

Well said davbob. I will say that leo seems to be being singled out for actions that many of the rest of us do or have done.

Was he defensive, yes. Could he have said things better? Yes. He should have stuck with my point about the people downvoting too far.

I believe he is so defensive because he is singled out. He is downvoted far more than should be. He is downvoted for articles that are perfectly fine.
When he is downvoted he is ganged up on. It is like he isn't being allowed into "cool gang". His excess defensiveness is understandable if not excusable.

Perhaps the article should have been downvoted.

He got it from other sites similar to Plime. I saw a few sites that had the link to the breakfast around the world part of that link. Sites which seemed to enjoy learning about different breakfast traditions.

I wonder if it was an article about breakfast foods that wasn't on wikipedia would it then be considered not worthy of posting?

After all I have seen other posts that linked to wikipedia, posts that did well.

Also I have seen articles that were encyclopedic in nature but weren't on wikipedia. Links that did well because they were interesting.

Well then, it must have been downvoted for not being interesting at all. Maybe the wikipedia article is even wrong at some points.
OK lets pick one error from the page: since when is Switzerland in Central and eastern Europe? Since when do we write "eastern Europe" with lover case E?
According to wikipedia:
>>The term "Central and Eastern Europe" came into wide spread use, replacing "Eastern bloc", to describe former Communist countries in Europe, after the collapse of the Iron Curtain in 1989/90.<<
Well maybe Austria too. Definitely not Switzerland. Some of the countries are missing, it would have been better to include them instead of Switzerland to that region.
Maybe I would downvote it too if it hadn't been knocked out already. Maybe I will as soon as it gets anywhere close to 0 karma.

I have come to the point of ingnoring that user, too. When he dupes, I downvote to delete the post, but random crap is mostly left untouched by my, because I've also made the experience that communication with Mr. Leopoldogolba is a one-way street.
Don't let him put you off, Dav.

That isn't the point. I agree it probably should have been downvoted.

My point was that there was no reason to downvote to -78 as it was at one time.

That and he has had a number of other posts that were downvoted for no reason other than he posted them. With that kind of treatment can you blame him for being defensive?

His recent post about celebrity scandals is an example. It was downvoted simply because he submitted it. It has since shot up but it came close to being deleted because of one member.

If a good link can get 400 karmas, why do we have to stop at delete level when downvoting?
If I post 20 times my boring blog (Well, I don't have one, but lets suppose I did just for the argument's sake) and once a link that goes up to 300, that will break even I guess. Is this fair scoring? This is not what I want plime to be like.
The other thing I dont understand how did he get downvoted so bad.
As long as his post shows up it might piss some guys, but soon it will be deleted and that is it.
To get downvoted so bad, I think that can happen only if by coincidence several people found his post about the same time and got pissed about the quality.
Did you actually see his post gradually going down or did it fall like a ton of brick? I can understand the ton of brick situation, it happened to me too. (in the forum with a new topic). That is just pure bad luck. If it went down gradually that is teaming up on him, that should be discouraged, but than again who can do such things? The 20 and 30 club members should know better. The others are not strong enough to overpower them.

I want to jump in here real quick. I am sure quite a few of you oot there know of my history with lilaliss and that the common belief is that leopoldogolba is that user. I, on many MANY occasions tried to explain plime to both leo and lil. I even had a plimate that speaks his/her language try to explain with little to no success. More often than not, leo and lil would come up with some smart-ass comment or even get rude. I have had a few private conversations with leo in PM's and got alot of static and rudeness in return. In my opinion, I think this user should have been kicked off a long time ago.

On a side note. There have been quite a few other users (I can't remember them all) that have participated and acted in the same manner as leo and were gone within hours. Nobody seemed to want to help them. I am just curious as to what makes this user so special.

To 2MANY, with all due respect, I am surprised at your passion to help this user with all they have done so far. (spam, rude comments, numorous dupes, no explanation for downvotes, etc.) I think your talents would be much more useful in other areas of plime. You are a true leader in this community and have my respect, but I think you are wasting your abilities on this one user. I liked leo when they first came to plime and I regret being 'had' by them. Maybe one day you will see exactly what I am talking aboot.

Peace, Love and Plimeness for everyone!

One last addition. I felt it pertinent that I link leopoldogolba's final post. As I'm sure most of you know by now, there is alot of talk and drama going around plime aboot leo. As I stated in my comment before this one, I have had a really hard time with this particular user. Honestly, I am tired of hearing aboot him/her. I am also tired of trying to explain the rules and guidelines of plime to this user and getting nothing but rudeness and flack in return. I am also tired of having all of my posts get downvoted by this user 2 days after I have posted them. I know there are many others oot there that feel the same way.

Now, it states in the comments of this final post that there is a 'cool crowd' here at plime. In my book, everyone who participates while adhering to the rules and guidlines of plime, is cool to me. I know that I am one of the users that is speculated at being in this 'cool crowd'. Now whether I say I am or am not downvoting this user based on my history with him/her, it won't really make a difference. I'm certain that most of you have already made up your minds that I, in fact, am.

Everyone knows that in every community, there are cliques. Plime is no different. I love coming to plime and participating. Yes, I have made bad calls and mistakes in the past, but I have learned from them, as well. I wish there were a way to undo some of the things I have done, but what is done, is done. I will be honest with you all, I hope leo is sincere in saying that he/she could be giving up on plime. You may think I am a bully in saying this, but it is just how I feel given the history.

I am not calling oot any other plimates. Knowing what I know, I don't feel any of them have done anything wrong. The ootcomes I see from this situation all end in at least a few plimates being angry or hurt or upset. I wish there were a way to resolve the whole ordeal with everybody being happy, but I know that isn't possible. Honestly, I truly believe the lesser of two evils will be to get rid of said user. That is just how I feel. I know there are quite a few others that feel the same way and I hope they come forward. If not, then that is fine also.

-Your friendly neighborhood punthe

I'm surprised Leo stuck around this long, while taking so much heat.

Yeah, me too.
I dont understand WHY he is taking all this. So he upvotes a lot...So?

He is getting downvoted like crazy and he still upvotes most things. Most people would have turned and just downvoted everything.

Oh, and I personally think that Jax should be able to see who downvotes what. This means there would be no downvote wars, but it will get rid of the whole anonymously thing.

Having leo downvoted was exactly why you posted here. Looking back at the start of this thread, and what happened to leo because of it, wasn't lost on you. The remark leo made to you in that post was silly at best, especially coming from someone that doesn't speak English well. But now he stands at almost -130 and you being offended and all, are at +300. I guess you saying he, or his post, was "lame" was his to shrug off while you, on the other hand, had every right to be offended.

This plime lynching mentality is juvenile.

I agree with that last sentence, but not your view on davbob's stance there. Leo asked why it was downvoted to the negative, no one answered; davbob came in and offered his opinion (also stating that he didn't up or downvote it either way). I think his explanation was valid, though he could have perhaps been more tactful by not using the word 'lame' in describing why the link may have been downvoted; but I don't think it was rude or inflammatory.

My point is... several members, not just davbobjonfred, have said they are going to ignore leo, yet they come in here and link, point fingers, and do everything but ignore...knowing full well that it will result in mob downvoting, as it did at the beginning of this thread. I could have just as easily replied to puntheball "innocently" bumping this thread that should have died, and didn't have to point/reply to/at davebobfrankjim, but both seemed like passive attempts to "GET" leo.

and let me add this, If your thought is that davbobbillted's reply that the wikipedia link was "lame", was polite, and should not have offended leo. What's the difference between linking a wikipedia article and linking a youtube video? And maybe someone could politely and respectfully explain what that difference is.

Hey, I never said 'polite'. I said he davbob could have been more tactful, but at least it wasn't inflammatory.

I don't see the difference, personally; other than wiki is notorious for having a lack of credibility. But like I said in that link, I didn't vote it either way.

The fact is, the site basically takes care of itself... this user isn't spamming, so just ignore the occasional (or more than occasional) bad post because it will be down voted instantly. The system is essentially working here, as this user cannot achieve above about level 10.

there's a freaking weirdo in my class who makes bizzare comments and gets defensive about his crappy art. i wish i could down vote his karma points anonymously and make him feel s**tty, but i can't. i think plime should be about positivity, not negativity through camaraderie.

i sent leo a message saying i like a lot of his posts, because i do. some of them are not so great, and some of them are dupes. i down vote the dupes to deletion (or upvote them if they're already 1 million points in the negative since everyone is so eager to jump the down vote gun on him), and ignore the uninteresting ones. For the most part, though, he finds really interesting things and he takes the time and effort to post them. is that not what plime was intended for? i think of the fun, community aspect of plime as secondary to the sharing of interesting news and information. therefore, i do not think it is fair to judge him on his so-called rudeness.