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Posted: 6 months ago by doggylives:
« Alton : I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. He's now back at level 1.
Now let's stop threadjacking. :) Excellent, now we can see how much further input he has to plime.
/threadjack
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Posted: 6 months ago by melgesevad:
So, what does everyone else think about the topic?
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Posted: 6 months ago by doggylives:
IMO, the confidence that theists and creationist have in their beliefs stems from a need to believe that there is something else other than simply being born, living, then dying.
It comes from a desire for purpose and meaning that they can't find anywhere else.
Good for them, I don't agree, but good for them. If it helps you then carry on and good for you IMO.
My only problem is with organized religion, traditional religion that instils guilt and fear into people. religion that cause harm and disharmony.
Apart from that peoples beliefs are theirs and should be respected. I only ask the same for me and my beliefs.
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Posted: 6 months ago by melgesevad:
« doggylives:IMO, the confidence that theists and creationist have in their beliefs stems from a need to believe that there is something else other than simply being born, living, then dying.
It comes from a desire for purpose and meaning that they can't find anywhere else.
Good for them, I don't agree, but good for them. If it helps you then carry on and good for you IMO.
My only problem is with organized religion, traditional religion that instils guilt and fear into people. religion that cause harm and disharmony.
Apart from that peoples beliefs are theirs and should be respected. I only ask the same for me and my beliefs. I get pretty depressed when I imagine a world without some sort of divine being. I don't know why. Maybe its the plain fact that I want to believe in something eternal versus the material things I hold onto here on Earth. Those things seem to disintegrate in my hands.
As far as being certain, I am not. Is that bad? Fundamentalists might think so.
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Posted: 6 months ago by Mershaullk:
I've always been curious as to what different people mean by the word "respect". Does respecting someone's beliefs mean not challenging them? If so, then I dare say that I respect no one's beliefs, and I never shall.
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Posted: 6 months ago by doggylives:
« Mershaullk : I've always been curious as to what different people mean by the word "respect". Does respecting someone's beliefs mean not challenging them? If so, then I dare say that I respect no one's beliefs, and I never shall. No, respect means allowing people to believe what they want without trying to shove your beliefs down their throat.
That's what pisses me off about a lot of religion.
Politely disagreeing with someone and discussing something with them is still showing respect.
Sure, challenge someone's beliefs in a polite way but not bolshy or rudely, unless they just plain ask for it.
I do find it hard to respect peoples beliefs when they have nothing to back it up but then they don't need to back up or justify their beliefs I suppose if they are just going about their daily lives an living how they want.
I do however get into heated debates with people who challenge my beliefs becasue then they obviously want to debate/discuss. An instance of this is when I get JW's or Mormons calling telling me to believe the bible ect. if someone brings the fight to me then I'm more than happy to engage.
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Posted: 6 months ago by Mershaullk:
Well, it depends on what that person is believing. If they believe that the "Holy Word" says to hate all gay people then I'll be bringing that debate right to their doorstep.
I'd probably get pretty damn sarcastic with some of my points and responses too.
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Posted: 6 months ago by melgesevad:
« Mershaullk:I've always been curious as to what different people mean by the word "respect". Does respecting someone's beliefs mean not challenging them? If so, then I dare say that I respect no one's beliefs, and I never shall. Personally, arguing to the point of harassment is not very respectful. Challenging can be respectful, but after a point rhetorical debates must end, for both parties latitudes of acceptance and rejection are directly inverse of one another.
Rhetorical debates must be met with an understanding that you cannot expect to change someone's minds, only to change their point of view. That is, that I understand where you are coming from, not adopt your viewpoints. That, to me is respect.
Some religious people do not get this and try to change peoples minds through unrelenting rhetorical debates. That is not respectful.
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Posted: 6 months ago by melgesevad:
« Mershaullk :
I'd probably get pretty damn sarcastic with some of my points and responses too. Which would help things tremendously.
/sarcasm.
The problem is, you won't even get anyone to see your point of veiw.
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Posted: 6 months ago by Bandit:
« doggylives : No, respect means allowing people to believe what they want without trying to shove your beliefs down their throat. In my humble opinion...
this applies to Atheism as well.
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Posted: 6 months ago by doggylives:
« Bandit : In my humble opinion...
this applies to Atheism as well. Of course, but there's a difference between airing an opinion and shoving that opinion down someone's throat. You can say you believe the bible and give reasons and I can argue and debate that with you. All good.
I don't have a problem with anyone believing in a higher being, I mean who am I to have a problem with it. I have a huge problem with the bible and the crap that's contained within and I have a big problem with people preaching from it. if you choose to believe it fine, but don't tell other people they are sinners and going to hell like it's a fact. Just believe it and go about your business.
If you choose to believe that you will go to hell for certain "sins" then that, like spirituality and beliefs, is personal to you but don't try and tell other people what's going to happen to them ie: hell and don't tell them they are wrong for the lifestyle they choose.
Live and let live.
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Posted: 6 months ago by ReBoot:
« doggylives : Live and let live. I couldn't agree more.
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Posted: 6 months ago by Alton:
« ReBoot : I couldn't agree more. Unless you're an animal, of course.
I meant to ask you in the other thread, but if humans aren't animals, what are we?
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Posted: 6 months ago by doggylives:
« Alton : Unless you're an animal, of course.
I meant to ask you in the other thread, but if humans aren't animals, what are we? Vegetable.
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Posted: 6 months ago by smarty1052:
« TedGoas:Thanks. I saw that someone submitted our website somewhere on here (though now I can't find where) and Plime.com popped up in our stats. So I decided to have a gallop through the site and ended up staying. ohh, so that was you at the creation museum.. that was a good post..
but for the record your wife/gf? not sure which- is really cute.. u should definitely believe in creation, lol
and to get back on topic I think people just have a hard time admiting they're wrong about something or maybe dont know enough about a topic, they'd rather be stubborn and stick to their original belief instead of getting more information and possibly switching sides.. maybe its jsut the laziness factor.. i think it also has a lot to do with the way you were brought up
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Posted: 6 months ago by hOOsker:
« smarty1052:ohh, so that was you at the creation museum.. that was a good post..
but for the record your wife/gf? not sure which is really cute.. u should definatly believe in creation, lol
oh shat!
rambo said he must convert the womens all the time cuz when he walks by smarty's window all he ever hears is the girls screamin "OH GOD, OH GOD, OH GOD!"
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Posted: 6 months ago by doggylives:
« hOOsker : oh shat!
rambo said he must convert the womens all the time cuz when he walks by smarty's window all he ever hears is the girls screamin "OH GOD, OH GOD, OH GOD!" Maybe he needs to use more duct tape....
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Posted: 6 months ago by smarty1052:
« hOOsker : oh shat!
rambo said he must convert the womens all the time cuz when he walks by smarty's window all he ever here's is the girls screamin "OH GOD, OH GOD, OH GOD!" That reminds me of a funny joke.. so I had this girl in my room one night and she was just screaming and going crazy yelling oh god oh god and the door was shaking.. so finally at around 4am I got up and unlocked the door so she could leave O:-)
it sounds so much better when you can use hand gestures and actually tell it..
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Posted: 6 months ago by TedGoas:
« smarty1052 : ohh, so that was you at the creation museum.. that was a good post..
but for the record your wife/gf? not sure which- is really cute.. u should definatly believe in creation, lol
and to get back on topic I think people just have a hard time admiting they're wrong about something or maybe dont know enough about a topic, they'd rather be stubborn and stick to their original belief instead of getting more information and possibly switching sides.. maybe its jsut the laziness factor.. i think it also has a lot to do with the way you were brought up I agree that it's tough to admit someone is wrong. But would be get anything done if everyone in the world is so stubborn. I suggest a more humble approach. If someone is absolutely sure the God planted life on earth and has good arguments and/or proof, I'd be the first in line to listen and even admit I'm wrong.
But I haven't heard any good argument for creation. Just a bunch of scientific sounding statements taken out of context and verses from the Bible that could mean anything.
I totally agree with your point about how each person is raised. I was raised Lutheran, but, at some point, stepped back and re-analyzed what I was taught to believe. I understand that not everyone does, or wants to do that, though. To each his own.
BTW yes that's us in those photos, we were really there. Sara is my fiance. Thanks for the compliments!
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Posted: 6 months ago by TedGoas:
« doggylives : Of course, but there's a difference between airing an opinion and shoving that opinion down someone's throat. Well said! Despite being (pretty much) an atheist, I have recently made friends with a number of moderate, yet devout theists. It's the militant and fundamental ones I have issues with. You know, like Ken Ham and parade of ignorance.
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