Very true. In fact he would have "his" sanity checked.

Hence the reason why the idea of 'God' is a man-made concept.

So according to your beliefs and your religion I will go to hell unless I believe in god some point before I die?

I say that not only is your religion immoral but so is your god.

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Right - major point of order here. This is about what you believe not what I believe. Don't mistake me pointing out the flaws in your reasoning and understanding with a statement of my own theosophy.

Huh? As hell in this instance is a construct of Christians then why would any non-Christian even believe in the damnation myth, let alone their pre-booked place there?


You say this as if it's demonstrable fact. Please don't do that unless you can back it up with demonstration.

It is if you're a Christian.

Hang on - that's what I said. Your argument is getting very confused here. Christianity requires that you accept Jesus as your saviour, etc. for you to gain entry to heaven.

You know that you've just denied free will there, don't you? OK, so you're right in that there is no such thing as free will, but you've come at it all bass-ackwards.

Ah-ha - the Richard Santorum view (amongst others) that without faith a person cannot commit acts of altruism.

So this is God claiming all the glory again. Does it follow that a lack of morality also stems from God? That if God is there influencing all the good done by non-believers that God is, by action or inaction, influencing all the evil done by believers and non-believers alike?

Doctrine and Indoctrination have the same etymological route. Church is the opium of the masses. The preacher man can't influence his flock if they don't turn up to hear his spiel.

Are you speaking from any actual theological standpoint here? Is this a view endorsed by any religious body?

And one that contradicts what is purported to be the word of God. That is the Catholic Church saying "You should all take the Bible as absolutely right except where we tell you it's wrong."

I don't say these things to dissuade you from your beliefs or contradict you but to point out that what you are saying is flawed, in places contradictory, and overall without any basis or foundation.

My guess from what you've said so far is that you are not a Christian in the conventional sense, but instead have a belief in a higher power that partly fits with the modern Western perception of the Abrahamic God but is mostly formed from your own experiences and desires.

This is not a bad thing is such - provided you don't start your own religion and lead your acolytes into either war or suicide.

It would though, I personally think, benefit you to accept this as a state of affairs and move beyond the shackles of a religion that doesn't correspond with your own beliefs.

(With due apologies for seemingly doing what I told you not to do initially - however, the difference is that you are telling us what you believe and I was telling you what is and isn't Christianity, regardless of my beliefs).

Thank you

Changing someone's post without their permission is bad form.

When you realize you weren't helping, undoing the 'fix' is the polite thing to do.

Failing that, calling attention to it is appropriate.

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All of this has happened before, all of this will happen again.

(ignore it. it won't go away but it wont change either)

And the truth shall set you free.

you really want to take this collar off me? srsly? sometimes chains are for the best.

Stop deleting it, let him have his say.

No, I deleted it.

I don't want to interfere with the thread any more than I just did.

please ignore and carry on.

Alright then, it's gone.

See...? That's why we can't have nice things... :P