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 pocksuck...
3 months ago
« Bingo : equitable retaliation
joke
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 Bingo
3 months ago
Even so, it is still a very good point. Which one do you follow? They are both in the bible, both teachings.

The 10 commandments were our first official christian rules or laws. Those were replaced in the new testament by Jesus with just two, Love God with all your heart and soul and mind, and love your neighbor as yourself.

If you love your neighbor as yourself you wouldn't kill him, would you?

I don't know if I agree that more religious support the death penalty or not.
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 Moe
3 months ago
I support the death penalty. I chalk it up to human imperfection. Yes I know Jesus wants me to do one thing. But every single day I do the opposite. If I was perfect, I would not need His redemption.
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 lynxears
3 months ago
I think there are some crimes so heinous it is better to let the killer die than have them continue to be a threat.

Example: Recent local court case. Guy robs and then kills two men; didn't have to kill to rob, as they were compliant, but did it anyway. Then he is arrested, and brags to 4 TV stations that he did it, no he ain't sorry, mocks the families of the victims.
During his trial, he showed no remorse.

He told reporters that if he got life in prison, he would definitely kill again.

He laughed during the families' impact statements, while they cried.

Did the jury really have much leeway to not give him the death penalty? (And no, psychologists found him cold-hearted, but competent to stand trial. No diagnosable psychological problem).
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 theclans...
3 months ago
« lynxears : I think there are some crimes so heinous it is better to let the killer die than have them continue to be a threat.
Life in prison..kind of takes away the threat..people don't really escape prison very often these days.
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 Doggyliv...
3 months ago
« Moe:I support the death penalty. I chalk it up to human imperfection. Yes I know Jesus wants me to do one thing. But every single day I do the opposite. If I was perfect, I would not need His redemption.
Seriously dude, I think you have the perfect religion. "meh, I know it's not what the guy who died for me would want me to do but I'm imperfect man. He's cool, he'll let it slide".

Seriously, it's so flexible it's a wonder it stands up at all.
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 pocksuck...
3 months ago
« lynxears : 

Did the jury really have much leeway to not give him the death penalty?
The jury never pass sentence.
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 pocksuck...
3 months ago
« Doggylives:Seriously dude, I think you have the perfect religion. "meh, I know it's not what the guy who died for me would want me to do but I'm imperfect mean", He's cool, he'll let it slide".

Seriously, it's so flexible it's a wonder it stands up at all.
I think The Wonder Stuff said it best when they said Forgive us for the crimes we are about to commit again.
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 Doggyliv...
3 months ago
« Moe : I support the death penalty. I chalk it up to human imperfection. Yes I know Jesus wants me to do one thing. But every single day I do the opposite. If I was perfect, I would not need His redemption.
Just a side issue. You support the death penalty as an imperfect human, YET expect constant forgiveness from god himself?

So you can judge another imperfect humans life yet expect blanket forgiveness for your sins from a perfect god?
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 thirdeye
3 months ago
« chinook : Since nothing is the absence of anything, nothing doesn't really exist, it's just the lack of anything existing.
Well, not exactly.
As soon as you have nothing, you have an empty set. That is something, because then you have a set that contains the empty set, which has cardinality, lets call that 1. You see what I am getting at? As soon as you have at least nothing, you can build up mathematics.
This is only one property of nothingness.
The other property is that if you go fast enough in nothing you will still get hot (Unruh effect). The notion of vacuum depends on the path of the observer through spacetime.
The energy states of any quantized field are based on the time coordinate among other things. Two accelerating observers moving relative to each other mostly don't have shared coordinate system, they will see different quantum states and thus different nothing.
Since quantum states are not constant, nothing disappears anyway very quickly because of the Hawking radiation, so you can not have nothing for long anyways.
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 Doggyliv...
3 months ago
« thirdeye :so you can not have nothing for long anyways.
Tell that to this guy

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 thirdeye
3 months ago
« Bingo : Well, I do not support the death penalty but my guess is they are falling back to "an eye for an eye"
Sometimes it seems they go more for the wisdom of the cistercian monk Arnaud Amalric:
"Kill them all and let God sort them out."
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 2manyuse...
3 months ago
« pocksucket:OK, here's a little topic for debate.

My starting point is non-empirical but is my perception. Even if it's not 100% accurate there are sufficient examples to make it worthy of note.

There seem to me to be more Christians who support the death penalty than atheists. Certainly and indisputably this has been the case historically but also seems to be the case now.

How does this sit with "Thou Shalt Not Kill"?
There is no commandment that says "Thou shalt not kill" the actual commandment in hebrew was "thou shalt not murder".
Important difference.
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 Doggyliv...
3 months ago
« 2manyusernames : There is no commandment that says "Thou shalt not kill" the actual commandment in hebrew was "thou shalt not murder".
Important difference.
Depends what translation out of the hundreds you want to use. The KJV says, "Thou shall not kill"
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 2manyuse...
3 months ago
« Doggylives : Depends what translation out of the hundreds you want to use. The KJV says, "Thou shall not kill"
see Matthew from the KJV where it says murder.

In any case I stated the original hebrew, not the various translations.
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 Doggyliv...
3 months ago
« 2manyusernames:see Matthew from the KJV where it says murder.

In any case I stated the original hebrew, not the various translations.
Strangely this is Jesus quoting the commandments to the Pharisees.

Yet the same KJV says in Deuteronomy 5:17, "Thou shalt not kill"

These are the commandments Jesus is supposed to be quoting.

It appears though that there's a distinction. God kills, people murder.

It's pretty cool being the guy who makes the rules
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 thirdeye
3 months ago
I heard it from a guy that looked like that something interesting:
he said he is happy for not having a thing because at least he was never in the position to exploit others like normal business owners do, to keep any money from others in need like the middle class mostly does, or send others to die like politicians do during war time.
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 thirdeye
3 months ago
« Doggylives : Strangely this is Jesus quoting the commandments to the Pharisees.
No. That was a translation of Matthew quoting Jesus how he quoted the commandments.
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 pocksuck...
3 months ago
« 2manyusernames : There is no commandment that says "Thou shalt not kill" the actual commandment in hebrew was "thou shalt not murder".
Important difference.
The Hebrew word you refer to is ratsach.

It can mean kill or murder. (Or dash into pieces).

That's an irrelevance, however. How many Christians do you know who follow as their primary religious text the Hebrew version of the OT?

KJV uses the word kill in place of murder.
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 Doggyliv...
3 months ago
« pocksucket :
KJV uses the word kill in place of murder.
No shit

*smiley face*
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