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Asking Anti-Abortion Demonstrators an Important Question

Wow. This is really fascinating.

donteatpoop @ 5/8/2008 7:40:39 PM

« smarty1052 : Grrrr. youtube doesn;t work at my job.. what was the question? this sounds interesting..

"if abortionb is made illegal, what should be the consequences." "what should happen to women who get abortions when it's made illegal"

Most answers were: "I don't know" and many said something along the lines of "Well I don't think they should be punished" (which is particularly intersting because they want to make it a law, but a law without consequences wtf?)

As has been stated, though; there were probably people interviewed who had answers to this question but weren't included in the video. I think reboot mentioned that one of the women referred to a man who would be able to answer the quesions better, but we never saw that man in the video.

The point of the video is valid, though. If you're going to ask for something to be declared illegal, you should have some idea of what the legal consequences should be for breaking the proposed law.

mewhitenoise @ 5/5/2008 7:34:33 PM

« ReBoot :

Oh, and "anti-choice" is also called "pro-life". So by the same token, I guess "pro-choice" becomes "anti-life".

I'm tired of everyone trying to be pro something, is it not true that "pro-lifer" activist are against abortion. That's really the whole point of their movement.

The name pro-life seems kind of silly to me..... I mean I'm pro life as in I am in support of people living, and I would imagine most people are.

ReBoot @ 5/5/2008 2:55:43 PM

« Rowangrey : I believe the purpose of the video was to bring up a good point about anti-choice activists, not to illustrate that ALL of them have thought this little about their "cause".

Well pardon me. The purpose of the video must have gone completely over my head, then. Stupid me figured that if the makers of the video were actually interested in finding an answer to the question (or even adding something remotely helpful to the conversation), they would surely have done so.

Oh, and "anti-choice" is also called "pro-life". So by the same token, I guess "pro-choice" becomes "anti-life".

smarty1052 @ 5/5/2008 2:40:06 PM

Grrrr. youtube doesn;t work at my job.. what was the question? this sounds interesting..

lumberjack @ 5/5/2008 10:33:42 AM

« Rowangrey : I love how you assume ...

Me too. I assumed you'd love how I assumed.

Rowangrey @ 5/5/2008 7:33:09 AM

« lumberjack : I love how you assume I'm talking about you. No, I said sometimes. And I know two women that applies to. I can imagine there's more. But no, I wasn't talking about you.

I know a woman from Ukraine who does not regret her 13 abortions. But I also wasn't talking about her.

I love how you assume I was referring to your post. I was actually referring to the twits in the video, and in general. Relax.

lumberjack @ 5/4/2008 10:26:10 PM

« Rowangrey : I love how people assume those of us who have had abortions live with some kind of life-long regret or guilt.

I love how you assume I'm talking about you. No, I said sometimes. And I know two women that applies to. I can imagine there's more. But no, I wasn't talking about you.

I know a woman from Ukraine who does not regret her 13 abortions. But I also wasn't talking about her.

Rowangrey @ 5/4/2008 9:46:43 PM

I love how people assume those of us who have had abortions live with some kind of life-long regret or guilt.
I have never regretted my decision, and I never will. I feel no guilt, nor do I get weepy or depressed when I see children... well, that's a lie. I cry when they seat them near me in a restaurant because I know my meal has just been ruined. :)

lumberjack @ 5/4/2008 5:36:12 PM

Probably in three pages of comments somebody has already said this but I didn't feel like reading through "wow, I'm going to ask them that next time I see an abortion protester" over and over again: Abortion laws make it illegal to *provide* abortions.

As for the punishment for women who receive abortions, sometimes, many years later, it's regret that won't go away.

Like many things, that regret can work both ways.

A little historical perspective by this kind of protest would reveal this will never work.

Check out prohibition, drug laws etc. Abortions will still be performed only with much more risk to the women. An intelligent response to stopping abortion would be a strong realiatic effort to prevent/minimize pregnancies.

Kendar @ 5/4/2008 3:00:31 PM

« Rowangrey : I disagree whole-heartedly with this statement. I ca say without a moment's hesitation that someone who harms animals should spend years and years and years in prison. I don't hem and haw about it, realizing that I haven't once thought about the other half of the abortion equation: the mother.

Edited to Add:

Until that fetus can survive on its own without sucking nutrients and blood out of my body, it is NOT A HUMAN BEING in my opinion. In scientific circles that's known as a parasite. If it has to get nutrition from the host body on a constant basis, must be sheltered inside the host body in order to survive, and dies if the host dies, it IS a parasite. It may be a symbiotic parasite in your opinion, but it IS a parasite. That gives me the right to decide whether to continue to act as an unwilling host for it. Period.

Absolutely. Your opinion would be less valid if you were a pro-choice activist, too. You are male. You cannot be forced into being an unwilling host to an unwanted fetus. You can never, ever, ever understand the issue on the same level. Don't get me wrong, I love that men want to get involved, but you (men in general) don't really have any idea what you are talking about, here. Sorry.

I could not have said it better myself.
Truth is, I just typed out a huge thing and went to quote something else and it got rid of what I already did.

JoshSF49, I never said that you being male made your point less valid. What I was saying was that it is easy for someone to tell someone what to do when they will never have to make the choice. You will never have to worry about 9 months of hell, labor pains, how your going to parent the child if your bf ever leaves.....

donteatpoop @ 5/4/2008 12:43:28 PM

« JoshSF49 : Sorry, my caps are just a way for me to emphasize a word. They were not meant as yelling, but more as italics. Sorry.

It's all good, Josh. [i]words to emphasize[/i]

teresag @ 5/4/2008 12:38:31 PM

« JoshSF49 : No, you're absolutely wrong.

When people are calling for criminalizing harm to animals, do they know what punishment they want? No, they just want no harm done to animals.

When people are calling for the criminalization of cell phones on the road, do they know the exact punishment? No, they want cell phone use criminalized on the road.

Just because you want to criminalize an action doesn't mean you know the exact punishment you want. That's secondary.

But in case anyone cared, any woman that gets an abortion (if it is proved without a warrant-less search) should be imprisoned for life without parole. Same goes for the doctor that provided the abortion.

The problem is not that the protesters did not know the "exact" punishment they would levy against women who got illegal abortions. The problem is that they had not given any thought to the consequences of making abortion illegal. They just stand outside with their signs and grotesque pictures, parroting the same message.

JoshSF49 @ 5/4/2008 12:34:30 PM

« donteatpoop : Firstly, STOP with the CAPITAL words. THATS THE EQUIVELANT OF YELLING. You're entitled to your view on this issue, and entitled to be passionate about it, but you don't have to be an a*****e.

Sorry, my caps are just a way for me to emphasize a word. They were not meant as yelling, but more as italics. Sorry.

palmieres @ 5/4/2008 12:30:18 PM

I was going to write a long rant (like I usually do when I have a strong opinion on some matter) but DerAlt said it for me.

The solution to the abortion issue? Be responsible. If you’re old enough to have sex, you’re old enough to know the consequences when you don’t take precautions.
Sex is really good, we all know that (and the period of excitement is so addictive some animals would rather finish coitus than escape a predator), but there are tons of ways you can prevent an unwanted pregnancy, and thus, not have to resort to dealing with the decision to have an abortion.

But I’m still pro-choice.

In response to the video: in countries where abortion is illegal and the law isn’t made by maniacs, the penalty is usually a few years in jail.

PS- Watch ‘Vera Drake’ for a peak on what some women have to go through and wonder if that’s ‘the easy way out’ for an unwanted pregnancy.

Rowangrey @ 5/4/2008 12:11:44 PM

« Hypersapien : I can't help but think that the clips were cherry-picked to be put in the video. Not to mention the fact that the last person directed the interviewer to a specific person that was on the street with them that we never saw.

That's pretty well established. No one but hardcore scientists actually publish evidence against their own theories. This is not hardcore science.
Again, this is most likely meant to illustrate a point, not act as a study of the entirety of anti-choice protesting.
Also take into account that the images of aborted fetuses on the posters of the protesters are also cherry-picked to evoke the most emotional reaction from its viewers. No one seems to find fault with that.

DerAlt @ 5/4/2008 11:47:58 AM

« Hypersapien:I can't help but think that the clips were cherry-picked to be put in the video. Not to mention the fact that the last person directed the interviewer to a specific person that was on the street with them that we never saw.

They most likely were, in order to make the point of the video in a reasonable time frame. The point was, IMHO, to illustrate how people get involved in very emotional issues and take stances without ever thinking their position through.

It was a very valid and reasonable question. If you want to make something illegal you should have some idea of how serious a "crime" you consider it to be and have formulated an appropriate punishment.

Considering that it takes the fertilized cell almost 3 weeks to even become a primative smear on the uterine wall, calling an early abortion murder is ridiculous.

That classification is entirely religious and not scientific at all.

If science were to be the guide here then the "morning after" pill should satisfy everyone. It would just be eliminating a tiny group of cells called a zygote. Hardly anything someone would call a human. Unless of course you are being guided by your personal religious interpretation, personal being the key word here.

While not pertinant to this discussion, it could be noted that many anti abortionists are also against birth control methods as well. To me, that makes their entire anti abortion opinion invalid.

gammerus @ 5/4/2008 11:46:14 AM

I was thinking the same thing.

Hypersapien @ 5/4/2008 11:07:50 AM

I can't help but think that the clips were cherry-picked to be put in the video. Not to mention the fact that the last person directed the interviewer to a specific person that was on the street with them that we never saw.

donteatpoop @ 5/4/2008 10:24:03 AM

« JoshSF49:You don't have to KEEP the baby. Just let it live.

What about the baby's body? Aren't you making a decision that he/she never gave you an ok on?

As awful as it sounds, it's their own fault. They shouldn't have been trying to kill a baby.

And for all this "rusting hanger" crap, no woman in her right mind is going to stick a hanger up there knowing all the stories she's heard about it.

Firstly, STOP with the CAPITAL words. THATS THE EQUIVELANT OF YELLING. You're entitled to your view on this issue, and entitled to be passionate about it, but you don't have to be an a*****e.

Now, onto the issue at hand. Yeah, the video asked about something that was somewhat irrelevant to the abortion issue. I think the protestors should have some idea about what sort of consequences there would be, but I don't expect them to be lawmakers either.

The issue, as I see it; is when is the fetus considered a human? 'The moment of conception' seems to be the view of most pro-lifers, but others offer arguments that humanity happens during some trimestor or another, and still others believe it does not occur until birth.

Personally, I am pro-choice. I don't like abortion or the idea of it, but I think the woman should have the right to choose. If a woman is raped, how fair is it to ask her to birth the child? If the child is going to be born with some serious defects, I feel that it should be up to the parent(s) to decide.

dollyllama @ 5/4/2008 10:11:58 AM

« JoshSF49 :
Yes, I am a male. So what? Does that make my opinion any less valid?

In this instance yes. You do not get to decide what happens to my body, unless you want me to be able to decide what happens to your gonads.

If a man is affected by the woman's decision, by having to pay child support if the woman decides to keep the child, then a man should have just as much say in whether or not the child is brutally murdered.

Nope. Not unless he wants to bear the child. Many men do not take care of their unwanted children. The laws do not help, there are too many loopholes. So if the woman is forced to have a child she doesn't want because "it's only fair that men get a say" then the woman should get a say about how and what the man does the rest of his life. You know, indentured servitude works both ways.

The man may not be carrying the child, but it is just as much his baby as it is the woman's.

Only in his mind.

Rowangrey @ 5/4/2008 10:05:51 AM

Ugh. I apologize for sounding like a total b***h. I have nothing against you personally, JoshSF49, honestly. :) I just get really, really into this issue. I have had an abortion, and I feel very strongly about it.

I promise I'm not attacking you personally... just arguing passionately. :)

Rowangrey @ 5/4/2008 9:52:18 AM

« JoshSF49 : No, you're absolutely wrong.

When people are calling for criminalizing harm to animals, do they know what punishment they want? No, they just want no harm done to animals.

I disagree whole-heartedly with this statement. I ca say without a moment's hesitation that someone who harms animals should spend years and years and years in prison. I don't hem and haw about it, realizing that I haven't once thought about the other half of the abortion equation: the mother.

Edited to Add:

NO, it shouldn't be your choice to kill another human being! Killing is wrong no matter what the circumstances unless it's in self defense. No exceptions.

Until that fetus can survive on its own without sucking nutrients and blood out of my body, it is NOT A HUMAN BEING in my opinion. In scientific circles that's known as a parasite. If it has to get nutrition from the host body on a constant basis, must be sheltered inside the host body in order to survive, and dies if the host dies, it IS a parasite. It may be a symbiotic parasite in your opinion, but it IS a parasite. That gives me the right to decide whether to continue to act as an unwilling host for it. Period.

Yes, I am a male. So what? Does that make my opinion any less valid?

Absolutely. Your opinion would be less valid if you were a pro-choice activist, too. You are male. You cannot be forced into being an unwilling host to an unwanted fetus. You can never, ever, ever understand the issue on the same level. Don't get me wrong, I love that men want to get involved, but you (men in general) don't really have any idea what you are talking about, here. Sorry.

mewhitenoise @ 5/4/2008 9:41:51 AM

« sukkie :
reminds me of ali g just talking crap about abortions, pretty much what they're doin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ERgTC-3wsY

I love him beat box with We Shall Overcome,that was hilarious.

hOOsker @ 5/4/2008 9:39:14 AM

heh! first double.

hOOsker @ 5/4/2008 9:39:13 AM

If a person should ever want to make their point, they should interview a group of "protesters" with opposing views.

I have never been a "Protester", but it always seemed to me like a pretty good place to meet easy girls.

mewhitenoise @ 5/4/2008 9:24:31 AM

« dollyllama
As for them being compassionate, I've stood up against those people at the gates to a clinic where they called women seeking treatment "whores, sinners, murderers" (and some of these women weren't even having an abortion, the protesters didn't discriminate about who they screamed this out). That's compassion?

While I agree with your other point,I must say that one group of protesters cannot represent the group as a whole. One violent peace protester can ruin the image of a whole group of nonviolent peace protesters,but they shouldn't all be judged by that persons actions.

dollyllama @ 5/4/2008 7:13:00 AM

I think the most interesting answer, one that seem to be shared by several of the protesters was "God will punish them" or that their "fate was in God's hands". And no one seemed to understand that if that's the case, why criminalize it? Why criminalize anything, because wouldn't the same be true of every crime?

Many of anti-choice activists are pro-death penalty, how is that ok? Killing is killing is killing.

As for them being compassionate, I've stood up against those people at the gates to a clinic where they called women seeking treatment "whores, sinners, murderers" (and some of these women weren't even having an abortion, the protesters didn't discriminate about who they screamed this out). That's compassion?

JoshSF49 @ 5/4/2008 4:13:09 AM

« Kendar : So, you're saying that either the woman has to worry about the child being with another family and what it is feeling for the rest of it's life, or be stuck raising an unwanted child? I'm not saying that women don't feel bad about abortion, I just think that it is a hell of a lot harder to make the adoption choice after having it inside you for 9 months. I really don't think that anyone should make the choice for a woman. She has 3 choices...

1) Abortion - Be sad that you had to make the choice, but feel that it was for the best.

2) Adoption - Carry the unwanted child for 9 months and then make the excrutiating choice of giving it up for adoption.

3) Keep it - Love it, but feel guilt that you never wanted it. Feel forced into parenthood.

I love how a lot of pro-lifers are men, people that would never ever have to be in the situation. It makes it so easy for them to say "what's so difficult? Make this choice". But they will never have to make that choice, they will never feel like their uterus, freedom, choice, happiness, etc. is in jeopardy.

My boyfriend is pro-life, unless it is rape. But neither of us wants children. I just hope that I never get pregnant because he would never speak to me if I aborted and if I had it, the child would be unwanted by BOTH parents.

NO, it shouldn't be your choice to kill another human being! Killing is wrong no matter what the circumstances unless it's in self defense. No exceptions.

Yes, I am a male. So what? Does that make my opinion any less valid? Do I suddenly lose respect because I want to protect the life of an unborn human being? NO. There's just as many men that are pro life as there are men that are pro choice.

If a man is affected by the woman's decision, by having to pay child support if the woman decides to keep the child, then a man should have just as much say in whether or not the child is brutally murdered.

The man may not be carrying the child, but it is just as much his baby as it is the woman's.

ieldanth @ 5/4/2008 4:13:04 AM

Many pro-choicers are men too. It gives him an out. Now he doesn't have to skip town when his girlfriend turns up pregnant.

Kendar @ 5/4/2008 4:04:10 AM

« JoshSF49 : You don't have to KEEP the baby. Just let it live.

So, you're saying that either the woman has to worry about the child being with another family and what it is feeling for the rest of it's life, or be stuck raising an unwanted child? I'm not saying that women don't feel bad about abortion, I just think that it is a hell of a lot harder to make the adoption choice after having it inside you for 9 months. I really don't think that anyone should make the choice for a woman. She has 3 choices...

1) Abortion - Be sad that you had to make the choice, but feel that it was for the best.

2) Adoption - Carry the unwanted child for 9 months and then make the excrutiating choice of giving it up for adoption.

3) Keep it - Love it, but feel guilt that you never wanted it. Feel forced into parenthood.

I love how a lot of pro-lifers are men, people that would never ever have to be in the situation. It makes it so easy for them to say "what's so difficult? Make this choice". But they will never have to make that choice, they will never feel like their uterus, freedom, choice, happiness, etc. is in jeopardy.

My boyfriend is pro-life, unless it is rape. But neither of us wants children. I just hope that I never get pregnant because he would never speak to me if I aborted and if I had it, the child would be unwanted by BOTH parents.

JoshSF49 @ 5/4/2008 3:39:56 AM

« Kendar : If I were to get pregnant while on birth control and had used a condom, but I didn't want the baby, I would not be able to live knowing that I never wanted the child I was raising. I don't think it is fair to the child to have been unwanted and I don't think it is fair for a woman to have to mother a child when she tried so hard to prevent it in the first place.

You don't have to KEEP the baby. Just let it live.

It completely baffles me that people think that it would be OK for someone else to be in control of my body. It is MY body, no one else's.

What about the baby's body? Aren't you making a decision that he/she never gave you an ok on?

What about the women who have tried to abort their own babies with coat hangers and ended up bleeding out on their own kitchen table? Does that sound good?

As awful as it sounds, it's their own fault. They shouldn't have been trying to kill a baby.

And for all this "rusting hanger" crap, no woman in her right mind is going to stick a hanger up there knowing all the stories she's heard about it.

Kendar @ 5/4/2008 3:26:46 AM

If I were to get pregnant while on birth control and had used a condom, but I didn't want the baby, I would not be able to live knowing that I never wanted the child I was raising. I don't think it is fair to the child to have been unwanted and I don't think it is fair for a woman to have to mother a child when she tried so hard to prevent it in the first place.

It completely baffles me that people think that it would be OK for someone else to be in control of my body. It is MY body, no one else's. What about the women who have tried to abort their own babies with coat hangers and ended up bleeding out on their own kitchen table? Does that sound good?

sukkie @ 5/4/2008 2:57:40 AM

« JoshSF49:law makers decide the punishment, not those lobbying for the criminalization.

As opposed to any other crime? Are we going to use that argument for every crime that ever happens? Oh, she's living in poverty with no husband looking after her financially. We'll just look over the fact that she poisoned her co-workers. Ridiculous.

As opposed to abortion which is giving them ZERO chance at life.

Because YOU made the choice to get involved FULL KNOWING what could happen. You don't have to keep the baby, but you shouldn't be allowed to dispose of its life.

Pro-life is not about making as many children as possible. Pro-life is attempting to protect everyone child that is conceived with the possibility of being brutally murdered with the sanction of the state.

we're going to get no where, obviously you and I have different views and opinions on this and that's cool.

I am aware the law makers make the punishment for whatever law comes to pass, but if they truley believed in what they've been protesting about for years and years, they should have ATLEAST thought of the consequences that could've occured once their long hard efforts turn to reality.
They are already having clashing opinions against one another on whether or not they should be jailed.. it seems ridiculous to me.

I don't get your example on poisoning the co-worker thing..
my belief in life is that everyone gets a single shot, why give them a such a crap start, were you abandoned in anyway? or do you know what it feels like to be regarded as garbage in this socially classed society?
If your kid was up for adoption, unless a miracle happens, where they get into a very loving family(don't get me wrong, there are plenty of nice families they could be adopted into, but there simply isn't enough to cover everyone),then they'll be in trouble, they'll be having some sort of psychological problems anyway-
of course I agree with the fact that it's better to live a crap life then not have one at all, but if it's just a few months inside the mother's womb, I believe it's better to give that up and bring a child into a warm stable environment, I believe life starts once they're born.
Those in favor of pro-life should care more about the children already born in this world that faces stalvation and diseases, rather than cells duplicating itself that's in the process of making a child.

and hey,I don't mean to critize, it's my personal opinion, to each it's own.
There's no point b***hing on about this on the internet, just do whatever you can that makes a concrete difference.

gammerus @ 5/4/2008 2:55:01 AM

« Magellan : I'm really hoping that's a typo.

Me too.

Magellan @ 5/4/2008 2:14:51 AM

« gammerus : Maybe I am misinterpreting what you wrote.. but are you implying that a fetus doesn't count as real life until it's about 3yrs old?

I'm really hoping that's a typo.

JoshSF49 @ 5/4/2008 2:13:46 AM

« sukkie : wow, they haven't even thought about what they've been protesting about.. surely.. I thought they'd atleast think of every possible outcomes before protesting to pass down a law,
what's the point in making a law then?

law makers decide the punishment, not those lobbying for the criminalization.

should a woman living in poverty with no husband looking after her financially have to face imprisonment?

As opposed to any other crime? Are we going to use that argument for every crime that ever happens? Oh, she's living in poverty with no husband looking after her financially. We'll just look over the fact that she poisoned her co-workers. Ridiculous.

or give up the child for adoption if it was illegal? either way the kid's gonna have a screwed up life and it's not giving them a fair chance at life,

As opposed to abortion which is giving them ZERO chance at life.

if your responsible of bringing another life into your life/family then you should be providing the best that you can, why burden a child (another one's life) when your not in a steady/stable environment?

Because YOU made the choice to get involved FULL KNOWING what could happen. You don't have to keep the baby, but you shouldn't be allowed to dispose of its life.

If they're so pro life, they should be having sex only to have babies, not wasting what 'could' have been-- another life

Pro-life is not about making as many children as possible. Pro-life is attempting to protect everyone child that is conceived with the possibility of being brutally murdered with the sanction of the state.

gammerus @ 5/4/2008 2:01:31 AM

« xenity7 : . A fertilized egg is not a person, at some ill defined point (i would argue about 3 years after conception) a fetus becomes a "person" as we understand it. Before that it's simply a mass of cells.

Maybe I am misinterpreting what you wrote.. but are you implying that a fetus doesn't count as real life until it's about 3yrs old?

xenity7 @ 5/4/2008 1:58:05 AM

« JoshSF49 : A.) support for the war and support for the pro-life movement are not exclusive to each other. I, for one, hate the war and hate the fact that abortion is legal.

B.) EVERY soldier in Iraq volunteered to go to war. EVERY LAST ONE. They knew when they signed up they would have possibly had to go to war.

Ok, but a miscarriage and a birth aren't intentionally killing a child. Abortion is.

This is one of the worst arguments. The baby could become the next Hitler. The baby could become the person who cured cancer. The baby would live a life of poverty and abuse. So what? There's no guarantee on anything unless the child is actually born.

If we go by that standard, can we kill any toddler that lives in poverty with an abusive parent? No. What would the difference be?

Exactly. It just bothers people less before the baby is born/in the first trimester. A fertilized egg is not a person, at some ill defined point (i would argue about 3 years after conception) a fetus becomes a "person" as we understand it. Before that it's simply a mass of cells. To be honest, it never stops being simply a mass of cells but it bothers us too much to think about it that way.

sukkie @ 5/4/2008 1:40:51 AM

wow, they haven't even thought about what they've been protesting about.. surely.. I thought they'd atleast think of every possible outcomes before protesting to pass down a law,
what's the point in making a law then?

should a woman living in poverty with no husband looking after her financially have to face imprisonment? or give up the child for adoption if it was illegal? either way the kid's gonna have a screwed up life and it's not giving them a fair chance at life,

if your responsible of bringing another life into your life/family then you should be providing the best that you can, why burden a child (another one's life) when your not in a steady/stable environment?
If they're so pro life, they should be having sex only to have babies, not wasting what 'could' have been-- another life

reminds me of ali g just talking crap about abortions, pretty much what they're doin

JoshSF49 @ 5/4/2008 1:37:42 AM

« bcgrote : If I saw protestors in my town with those signs with that ancient picture of the aborted baby, I would set up next to them with pictures of blown up soldiers, saying the government gave me a retroactive abortion that I didn't want.

A.) support for the war and support for the pro-life movement are not exclusive to each other. I, for one, hate the war and hate the fact that abortion is legal.

B.) EVERY soldier in Iraq volunteered to go to war. EVERY LAST ONE. They knew when they signed up they would have possibly had to go to war.

If a woman is pregnant, she WILL give birth. It may be alive or dead, but she will birth it. Even a miscarriage is a birth.

Ok, but a miscarriage and a birth aren't intentionally killing a child. Abortion is.

And who could deny that if the child wanted the abortion that the woman should force it to be born into poverty and possible abuse?

This is one of the worst arguments. The baby could become the next Hitler. The baby could become the person who cured cancer. The baby would live a life of poverty and abuse. So what? There's no guarantee on anything unless the child is actually born.

If we go by that standard, can we kill any toddler that lives in poverty with an abusive parent? No. What would the difference be?

bcgrote @ 5/4/2008 1:31:15 AM

If I saw protestors in my town with those signs with that ancient picture of the aborted baby, I would set up next to them with pictures of blown up soldiers, saying the government gave me a retroactive abortion that I didn't want.

If a woman is pregnant, she WILL give birth. It may be alive or dead, but she will birth it. Even a miscarriage is a birth.

My mom once wondered if a woman gets an abortion because the fetus sends her a message that it doesn't want to be born at that time. And who could deny that if the child wanted the abortion that the woman should force it to be born into poverty and possible abuse?

Moe @ 5/4/2008 1:05:53 AM

Wow...I just changed my mind about my views on abortion, thanks to this thread! Thank you!

Yea, I know...that's total bullsh*t.

JoshSF49 @ 5/4/2008 1:01:06 AM

« jafo777 : I disagree.

I don't think this question is any less valid than asking, "what should be done to someone convicted of a crime." They think it's illegal, shouldn't they have to back it up?

The fact that this question reveals that some of these demonstrators have been doing this for years and have not once thought about the outcomes of their protest wholly validates the question.

No, you're absolutely wrong.

When people are calling for criminalizing harm to animals, do they know what punishment they want? No, they just want no harm done to animals.

When people are calling for the criminalization of cell phones on the road, do they know the exact punishment? No, they want cell phone use criminalized on the road.

Just because you want to criminalize an action doesn't mean you know the exact punishment you want. That's secondary.

But in case anyone cared, any woman that gets an abortion (if it is proved without a warrant-less search) should be imprisoned for life without parole. Same goes for the doctor that provided the abortion.

Gygash @ 5/4/2008 1:00:39 AM

If abortion is made illegal, shouldn't the doctor who performed the abortion be the one facing punishment?

heymrp @ 5/4/2008 12:57:33 AM

I have an issue with the intent of this video. The interviewer was asking a question that has nothing to do with the issue the demonstrators care about. He was asking a question that has no "safe" answer. People in the life movement are generally sympathetic toward women who have had abortions and aren't looking to see them get punished. Often a woman is hurting during this time emotionally, spiritually, and physically. Asking this question is intended to make the lifers look dumb because the question does raise conflicting feelings. One one hand the crime is committed and should be dealt with and on the other hand is the hurting woman who may need compassion and love. Plus, if you want to get fussy she can only be an accessory to murder and the abortionist is the one who is the murderer... that is if you want to play with semantics. This video is just another bit of propaganda and has no honorable intent.

lynxears @ 5/4/2008 12:43:23 AM

« jafo777 :
The fact that this question reveals that some of these demonstrators have been doing this for years and have not once thought about the outcomes of their protest wholly validates the question.

Well, I think they have been thinking about the consequences, just in less complicated terms — i.e. they want abortion to be illegal so that women won't be allowed to have abortions. With the general idea that that would mean no abortions would ever happen...

mewhitenoise @ 5/4/2008 12:37:29 AM

« notanube : this is sooo stoopid . abortion isn't black or white. a woman faced with an unwanted pregnancy is suffering soo much. to hear the term "abortion" used so loosely is a mistake. no matter what your choice the situation is grave, killing humans is wrong. addressing how the woman got in the situation should be prevalent. the lack of compassion in the question should make it null and void.

Lack of compassion? It is a simple question of what abortion being illegal means. When you make something illegal, you set up a punishment for breaking this new law don't you? Are you suggesting we have abortion rehab programs that they are forced to attend? Well, I would call that a punishment.

Next time Repent America comes to my college campus I am asking this exact question.

jafo777 @ 5/4/2008 12:37:15 AM

I disagree.

I don't think this question is any less valid than asking, "what should be done to someone convicted of a crime." They think it's illegal, shouldn't they have to back it up?

The fact that this question reveals that some of these demonstrators have been doing this for years and have not once thought about the outcomes of their protest wholly validates the question.

lunarcadia @ 5/4/2008 12:21:58 AM

I agree.

notanube @ 5/3/2008 11:46:53 PM

this is sooo stoopid . abortion isn't black or white. a woman faced with an unwanted pregnancy is suffering soo much. to hear the term "abortion" used so loosely is a mistake. no matter what your choice the situation is grave, killing humans is wrong. addressing how the woman got in the situation should be prevalent. the lack of compassion in the question should make it null and void.