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"There are no known safety considerations when it comes to eating lobster meat. The tomalley in general can be consumed (as with the livers of other animals). It can, however, contain high levels of PCBs which can give a number of negative health effects in large concentrations. It may also contain toxins that are associated with paralytic shellfish poisoning (saxitoxin and gonyautoxin). Those toxins do not leach out when the lobster is cooked in boiling water. The toxins responsible for most shellfish poisonings are water-soluble, heat and acid-stable, and thus are not diminished by cooking."

There is no reason I can think of not to treat animals and most life forms with the minimum of respect and at least minimize it's suffering before we kill it. It's certainly not humanizing the animal, it's pretty much humanizing ourselves.

Pock and I had this discussion a few months ago. We actually do eat less meat, merely because we are considering the treatment of animals and mass production. When we do choose, we choose wisely. It doesn't mean I do not like it, or enjoy it or even want to give it up. I don't.

I have killed my own dinner and sent a calf I bottle fed and raised to my freezer. I didn't humanize anything. I did respect it and didn't feel like I am so freaking superior that I can just take what I want, when I want and however I want.

What's wrong with a little respect?



Um, where did you get that piece of information? I have seen frozen fresh lobster tails without the rest of the lobster.

FTW!! :D

Ok... I am not claiming some power trip here. I am just expressing the fact that if, as humans, we are going to pass laws to ethically appeal to our morals on living creatures that we use as nourishment, then we must do so for the everything else that humans consume; grains, vegetables, legumes. There is some torture going on in those fields, let me tell you!

OK... so the information is outdated. Although I have to point out the inconsistency of your FROZEN FRESH lobster tail...

Is it Frozen? or is it Fresh? Because there is a certain degree of quality degradation once you freeze things to preserve them, it's called Freezer Burn; not quite fresh...

My self... If I don't see it coming up from the sea and going directly into the boiling pot... I don't eat it... that would be fresh.

And you know what?... Ignorance is Bliss

AH yes. I forgot the slash. Fresh/Frozen. Seen them both ways. I am sure that head and claws were boiled somewhere to make a lobster salad. You can get various piece and parts however you want them.

Well, when it gets down to the Veggies, I guess PETA and vegetarians will be in a quandry over what to eat at all. ;)

I guess I just don't get that you really don't care how anything is treated or killed before you eat it. It adds to the problem of producing for the masses, due to apathy or insensitivity on what your meal went thru and keeps the viscious cycle going. As long as people don't care the machine will continue working as it always does. Far easier on the conscience to really not think about it.

Animals have a sucky life. They are born to be food for others, to be hunted, stuffed in cages to be bred and bred until their bodies give out or adopted by sucky humans.

And you what? As soon as the next rung up the food chain comes along and humans are on the menu... Humans will have a sucky life as well... and I can guarantee you that they won't care either way whether we can think for ourselves or that we once loved, had families or lived or suffered...

When that happens, you will see the next evolution of PETA, called SAETH; Super Aliens for the Ethical Treatment of Humans...

bingo is right about this. empathy has nothing to do with making an animal more human, just with feeling more like the animal does.
OVERPOPULATION. that's nonsense. we breed animals in astronomical masses. without the ridiculous demand for meat, there wouldn't be that many "food" animals at all.

NO nervous system. no empathy from me. fine, become a frutarian if you have so much empathy for plants.

bah double post :/

Breeding animals in *Astronomical* masses only applies to the animals that are indeed bred in *astronomical* masses which does not include the many species that are wild which humans eat where the demand is higher than the supply...

Fruits have feelings too... Does the pineapple not bleed when you rip it from the stem? Don't you eat Tree Blood with your pancakes?

What do you call an apple that has fallen off the tree early? Rebellious...

Edit to add: I eat a balanced diet. Ignorance is Bliss...

1. what has that to do with anything? 2. i don't see the species that will dominate humans so soon. 3. there is no "food chain". it's more like a net where everything is connected. you, without tools in the wilderness, having to craft everything by yourself, will have big difficulties to hunt and kill a cow.. even a rabbit. you're "superior" because of your culture, because you were born in a "higher position" and now you can look "down" on the other animals.

yeah, you eat only wild animals that are not fed or in other ways supported by humans.. right. the vast majority of meat comes from animals raised for that exact thing, and the vast majority of them suffers through their whole pathetic lives.

NO NERVOUS SYSTEM. no feelings. btw, fruit are developed by plants to be eaten, so the seeds can be spread by animals.

this seems to be very true for you, sadly.

I can almost respect the "I'm the top of the food chain so f off" viewpoint.

I have a real hard time with people that make excuses, justifications, and peddle down right nonsense about why they eat meat and how fruits have feelings too. Stop being childish.

You kill animals and you eat them, what's there to be ashamed of? You don't think they have rights, and you don't care if they have feelings. Kill them any way you want. Boil them alive, bludgeon them, electrocute them unsuccessfully, starve them, whatever you want.

If you want my respect, kill it yourself. Otherwise STFU.




(Imma go partake in a little edamame slaughter)

haha that's too funny.

The only thing I have to say that as long as we're drawing a line between "humans" and "animals", we should treat everything humanely and live up to the higher status we've given ourselves. If we treat animals like animals, then we ourselves are animals.

In some cases this can get a little ridiculous though. All things in moderation and consideration.

I'm sure you must realize how ridiculous that sounds.

Yeah, of course you do.

I can tell you that you have the sexes backward. More than that, and I'd be giving away trade secrets.

I would like to think we are better than that. We understand and have the ability to empathize with animals, why should we not treat them humanly? I don't think I have ever heard anyone argue against the idea of treating animals humanly before.

Plants have no real functioning central nervous system.

If it can feel pain, why inflict it? That is why I stopped eating meat entirely. It isn't because I think animals are more humane-esque or whatever, but because I see eating meat as causing unnecessary pain and death. If I were stuck on a desert island would I eat meat? Maybe. But as it stands causing pain where you don't have to is callous and silly, and even those that do eat meat can at least agree that making it as painless as possible is the least we can do.

OK... so Humenly is not really the word to use because they aren't human. That is the point I was trying to make.

However, I will compromise with all of you. How about we, instead of killing animals for our consumption in a 'Human-like' manner, use more of a manner 'Be-fitting' that particular animal...

How do Lobsters kill each other in the wild? UH? Anybody know?

How about you get 2 Lobsters and let them duke it out, you get to eat the looser...

Does that sound more reasonable? To me... that would be more be-fitting with the animal kingdom.

If it is not in the nature of the animal to kill for dominance then it doesn't get to die for human consumption, only because it would not have died a death be-fitting of the animal.

And seriously people... you all should know by now that I was being facetious about the whole vegetable thing...

And what I mean by 'ignorance is bliss' is this: Life is too short. WAY too short to be worrying about such things when there is no need too. This life is a one way ticket. So get two lobsters to fight and eat the looser...

yeah, life is awfully short for "meat" animals.. for me, there is a need for worrying about that stuff.
i can't really understand your lobster fight idea, anyway.

Animals kill each other in gruesome and terrible ways every day. Dropping the lobster in a pot of boiling water is far more humane than what he did to his own cousin, chopped off his pincers in a fight over food and allowed him to starve to death.

I say we eat animals in as large a volume as possible without making them extinct. They wouldn't even give us or themselves that much consideration.

Meat IS humane!
Meat IS humane!

Meat IS humane!
Meat IS humane!

Meat IS humane!
Meat IS humane!