Great to know who the liberals are without getting into a rant.

I'd love to see this happen.

Nothing better than to see people actually being able to live their lives as they please without the government telling them what to put in their bodies.

I have never used marijuana in my life. In fact, I have never used any illegal drug.

I have never even smoked a cigarette.

I drink once, maybe twice a month, if that.

I don't know that I would try marijuana even if it were legal.

And I am absolutely in favor of marijuana legalization because I can see what the insane drug laws and their horrible consequences are doing to this country.

I support this idea wholeheartedly, but I do have to point out to Josh, and other Libertarians, and smokers the irony that if government is going to get involved in marijuana production oversight, and sales, they might impose their will on "what we put in our bodies" through regulation.

On the plus side, the risk of buying or smoking crappy weed "dusted" with sh*t like PCP will be (slightly) lessened (believe me, that's no fun for anyone -- I've been dusted before -- very f*cking scary), but they will likely impose controls over THC content, and price.

It could get complicated in ways that cut across political boundaries.

But hey, I guess the free market will sort that out? Hopefully (seriously).

My hope is that one's ability to grow your own, for your own consumption isn't hamstrung in this effort.

As someone who's unknowingly smoked weed laced with formaldehyde (yum), I'm ok with some government control.

If this goes to the states, I think that a lot of them will want to allow high THC content in order to make more money...no one's going to shell out for expensive Gvt Schwag when they can grow their own/buy it cheaper from their little sister's boyfrind.

And of course Utah will sell oregano with little prayer slips tucked into it.

Hah! I can't wait for the conspiracy theories about how the "prayer slips" will actually get you higher! (Or neuter you.)

Good point, though, about THC and the market, (though that might supercede individual production.)

I think folks should be looking at the cigarette industry for likely parallels.

A huge money making and highly taxed product was pressured into piriah status, and they weren't even mind altering.

If this is legalized and is (and definitely will be) taxed, then owning, growing not taxed versions of the product will be illegal. Just like cigarettes.

There will be controls on this from the get go. All it will take for really strong control is a cop high on weed who kills someone, an airline pilot shown to cause a crash on weed or any driver/worker/doctor that causes a tragedy because they're high....just like alcohol laws today. And that law is not all that controlling because of the negative experience with prohibition years ago.

But as far as marijuana goes, the likely model with be the success the anti-smoking group has had with cigarettes. They are still a highly organized group now working on outlawing outdoor smoking.

But they do cause cancer... has pot been shown to have any negative effects on health? I don't know either way, but I haven't heard of any.


Commenting on the Utah thing - isn't the article about a state law in CA? If this is going state by state, it'll be a cold fetchin' day in heck before UT legalizes pot. :) (Yeah, I live there.)

I know you can grow tobacco for personal use...
I'm hoping that if/when this passes (fingers crossed) it will also apply to cannabis.

:D

Well, yes. However, better it be legalized and regulated than criminalized, right?

And better it be legalized and unregulated than regulated.

I think most Libertarians would agree with this :)

I have no idea either.

Although common sense would indicate that enhaling smoke, which is made up of a variety of particulates, can't be very healthy.

I wouldn't want to be in a smokey room from weed any more than I would from cigarettes.

Wonderful. Someone gives you the heads up to get yourself high and the first thing you do is call a religious state overbearing and opressive.

Way to show how the stupid potheads think. (Seems kind of a harsh sterotypical statement doesn't it? Kind of like all Utah people are religious and oppressive and will sell oregano with prayer slips.)

I was mainly poking fun at the strict liquor laws in Utah, but if you want to toss their tendency to govern by the bible into the mix, go right ahead. Except I won't poke fun at that, I'll downright condemn it. There should be no such thing as a "religious state".

And I never used the words "oppressive" or "overbearing" anywhere, nor did I call anyone "stupid". I've gone so far as to defend you and the other religious folks on plime multiple times in the past. The only one being judgmental in this thread is you.

Sell people oregano with prayer slips? Blasphemy! We have no truck with spices in Zion. Jello's not a spice, right? ;)

Weed is fat soluble and can be detected in your system for weeks after smoking it one time. There would have to be a better testing system.

It is not illegal to grow tobacco, or to dry it and smoke it at home. I have no idea where you got this information.

No, I agree with your position all-in. Just casting my vote for the latter :)

People have gotten DUIs for having traces of marijuana in their bloodstream three weeks after smoking it. Not THC, mind you, but non-psychoactive chemicals that are found in marijuana.

There needs to be a constitutional amendment that says any law that is found to not be in accordance with facts and evidence automatically gets declared non-enforceable.

That's correct. I didn't mean tobacco, I meant cigarettes.

I was really thinking about providing cigarettes or selling/delivering tobacco products without the necessary tax stamp. Usually across state lines.