@defflewi..

the problem with polls that people don't seem to concept is that they are incredibly inaccurate most of the time and only show positive statistics that favor the person doing the polling.

Since I'm assuming that you're directing your response at my previous post, could you cite examples of CNN bias? I have already explained why I feel that Fox News is not an entirely nonpartisan news organization.

I never got this...

There's a "liberal media". There's also a "conservative media". But mostly, there's a media that has some bias one way sometimes, and some the other way other times. People see what they want to see. A conservative will see the things they don't agree with and point out "liberal bias". A liberal will do the same. And then there's everyone on other spectrums (remember, we aren't a bipolar nation, no matter how much the media really wants us to be).

Interestingly, according to my (pretty dang Democrat) political science professor a few years back, radio has more conservative bias while TV has more liberal bias, in general.

Ok, I'm with you in general but how can you say
both of those statements in the same (metaphorical) breath and mean it?

Honestly, there is no collective media "agenda," except to be around long enough for the next newscast.

The reason that most polls are so hard to concept is that most, if not all, polls serve an agenda which, given the nature of statistical analysis and the public's ignorance of the maths concerned, can be easily shoehorned to fit a particular point of view.

I say it somewhat tongue in cheek. Basically, I would love to see a third party win a state one presidential election, and then see the news media in general scramble to find an appropriate color to shade the state on their maps. :P Everyone pays attention to Democrat/Republican and the third parties never really get a chance. We don't have a two-party system, but it seems that's assumed. In fact, a party system is not in place at all, it just sort of happened.

And yes, I realize the irony in the statement. But it is part of my dry humor, which I suppose is hard to convey online. :P

Well, the strongest third party makes it easy: Green.

And I am pretty sure everyone talks Dem/Rep. because so few people back the other guys. I see your point, really, but it's a self-feeding cycle. If more people were interested in the other parties, they would be covered. If they were covered more (maybe) more people would be interested...
But with the internet, there is no excuse for a party to not get attention... they just have to work at it.

Indeed, you're absolutely right about the self-feeding cycle. At this point, it's hard and they'll have to come up with something really great to get out in the open. They do have to break past the Dem/Rep paradigm though, as well, which adds to the difficulty.

I don't think that most media(except fox and talk radio) does it as an 'evil conspiracy', but I do see that the ideas of the left aren't usually taken seriously, while lots of conservative ideas are treated as a basic assumption.

Conservative whining about liberal media is a tactic they use to discredit unfavorable news. Same for liberal whining, except nobody takes the liberal side of this issue seriously.

Also, I think that Americans in general are shifted to the right. What they may think of as a liberal bias might look like a moderate right wing bias to people from some other places. I know it looks that way to me.

It's been my experience that the left-leaning POV carries much more weight during a Republican administration than it does during a Democratic one; which is to say that Democrats can enjoy the fruits of their political labors more when Republicans drive the plough.

What was the point of this? Those who watch FOX will only see this as fuel for their "Obama is leading an evil government takeover" story.

I gave everyone points on this for making it a conversation rather than a fight.

I guess it's his choice if he wants to avoid the most popular news channel on television. He doesn't need to gain Democrat support. He already has that. He needs Republican/Independent support, and that's where Fox News comes in. I would think the smart thing to do would be to use Fox News, not avoid it.

I mean, Fox News is no less biased than MSNBC. The only news channel that I find tolerable is CNN, even though it leans slightly left (much less so than it did 10-15 years ago).

But hey, it's his choice if he doesn't want to be heard, right?

Faux took it to court and won the right to report blatant lies as the truth.
The one thing I will not accept from any news organization is intentionally reporting lies as fact, and they do it a lot.

You want REAL News reporting of American Events?

Go International...

Excellent observations.

Closer to the truth, I believe, than those ranting with Obamamainia or Obamaphobia.

It was always ''Fox Crap'', not '''Fox News''!

Take a look:



Hyperlinked, not posted, because the image is a hair over 3 megabytes.

Uhhm..how about actually reading the article..

But I would say that the Republican POV almost always carries more weight than the Democratic POV.