This is getting a little out of hand.

Suffice to say that feeling like your looks are your biggest asset sucks.

being hit on is nice, having people invade your private space and give unwanted lewd remarks is not.

It sucks being a woman in a mans world, yes it is cliche, but it is also true.

Also rape, it sucks, in a modern society I shouldn't feel like I have to carry pepper spray whenever I travel alone, but I do.

Interesting thing about reading the comments is that they are largely sweeping statements.

From my own perspective, there is so much in this list that is beyond inaccurate and into libel, but of course individual experiences may vary.

And in all seriousness, Lynx - you're hanging out with the wrong kind of man.

I'm not exactly back to argue, just clear things up. I don't want anyone thinking I'm a jerkface even if its only over the internet. I mostly compliment the girls I know based on their hoobies. For instance on girl I know kicks my ass in art and I'll tell her that, but she already knows shes good at art, and smart girls are usually are confident in their brains but not many people are confident in their looks.

Just think about it: How often, when first describing a man, does someone talk about his looks? Compare that to a woman.


What I meant was that, by modeling for whatever that stuff she was modeling for she is almost asking to be viewed as an attractive person over her racing talent. You take the first 5 pictures google image search comes up with and you could hardly tell she races and thats the image she created for herself.

I remember seeing alot of comics making fun of McCain's growth, and his age, Obama's ears, Hillary's face..Maybe not all equally but they all were talked about.

I'm saying a majority of men are against that policy too. The men that happen to be against it aren't in a position of power to do anything about it.

Maybe I am overly optimistic or nieve but I think we are working towards seening everybody as valuable. Many people are more open about things than they were ten or twenty years ago. The fact that we are working towards things means they aren't perfect yet.

Old habits do die hard and there are people working to get rid of them, at least in my generation. There are also people who are continuing the habit. Thats the problem with many issues society faces.

That just goes to show how much I care for fashion, or modeling and how well I know the names of senators. That has never been my cup of tea. I like girls I can actually hang out with.

One thing about being in love with someone or getting close with someone is that you leave yourself vulnerable. When you are in a serious relationship with someone the signifagant other knows so much about you that they can find exactly what makes you tick but you trust them not to. Relationships in our society are largly built on trust and some people abuse that trust and its horrible but for society to not allow these types of situations means that nobody can be intimate with anyone.

And my closing comment is, there are guys will respect you and there are guys that are a*****es. There are girls that are trashy and slutty and there are girls that command respect and get it.

Things aren't perfect but everybody is a little bit at fault.

Why is it OK for a woman to wear extremely sexy, revealing clothes, but if we "notice" that, then we're chauvinist pigs?

(I'm not saying that's what happened to you, but what am I to do if a girl walks by me wearing THIS, but gets mad if I notice her ass?????)

you are totally allowed to "notice" - it's when you get grabby or make lewd comments that we consider to be out of line.

I didn't say anyone was chavinist. This wasn't even about that. This is about things society gives you, piggy, without you asking for it or maybe even noticing.

So, yes, some women dress highly provocatively and want that kind of attention. But, as indisguise said, there's a difference between noticing and being lewd and disgusting.

As for the incident I was describing, I was in jeans and a work polo that was too big. Ya, I was definitely "asking for it."


Also, Dork: I agree, things are getting better.
On the intelligence thing... in schools, in particular, intelligent girls are shown to "dumb down," because seeming too intelligent can keep the boys from dating them, and keep the girls out of social groups. So, smart people don't always "know" they are smart.
But please don't feel I posted this to "attack" you or any other guy. It's something to think about.


And Pock: This wasn't about "my" men, and may not be about "your" male-friends. But all these things exist in our society (truth can't be libel).
I've gone out of my way to only date guys who view women/gender in the way I do. But that also meant turning down dates from guys who thought it was great I had a job now, but wouldn't I drop it when I had kids?
It's about generalizations, because not every individual will meet every point on the list.

Again, I wasn't saying this is what happened to you...

But I can tell you there has been more than one occasion where someone walked past me wearing stuff like I linked to in my last post. I didn't say a thing (nor did I make suggestive hand motions or anything). But, it was very obvious that I was staring at their extremely exposed cleavage.

And they turned around and said something to me.

My response was "If you don't want me to stare, then cover them up!"

Just as an outsider, ...there's a difference between staring and leering. That might be your problem.
Of course there are women who "bait" men in the way you describe...but that is not the majority. Or they were trying to attract *someone's* attention...and you weren't it.

LOL!

The world is not fair, and for every wrong righted, a new one will crop up. Personally, I just try to be the best person I can and if I hit a wall, decide to either climb or divert. Gender can work for or against you, as can race, age, or any other number of demographics.

At times, whether religious or not, the Serenity Prayer comes in handy: God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.

This article is completely on-point...I'm not more proud to be a man.

This is one of the most ridiculous articles on here.
I can't believe anyone would take it seriously.

Most men (or at least the ones I know/grew up around) give women the same respect that they give to everyone else. Not to say I haven't known disrespectful men, because I have, but when a man was disrespectful to a woman, I noticed that he was also disrespectful to other men.

On the other hand, I've seen women be disrespectful to just men, and explaining it away as a "right" that they had, like they were entitled to be rude to every man, when the problem lied only with a few.

Rude is rude, and no one has the right to be rude to others. You treat everyone with respect, or you receive none yourself. That's the way I operate, as does a majority of the population.

This is true, but I am refering to the looks before brains thing. Nothing else. I won't get into the car honking or lewd comments. This is just about how beauty always seems to be valued (or appreciated) more than brains.

How often is a husband refered to as nice/supportive/loving what have you, whereas a man will firstly refer to his wife as beautiful.

I'm not saying either is bad, I just think there is too much emphasis on women being pretty.

Yes!
Like Meggy said, Just like age or race your Gender can work for or against you. I found some of that article incredibly silly.

Being a woman has never really affected my life. I don't ever encounter hardship because I'm a woman. And I know plenty woman who have gone to the top of their games. My cousin is a VP of IT in a large bank. My aunt is a self made multi-millionaire. She lost her husband 2 years into marriage and has managed to build up numerous business and property portfolios. (She's actually my idol)

I've never heard them complain of the hardships they encounter.

We can all see discrimination if we look for it

Give me a break. Men have been given hardships for their looks just the same as women. Its been shown that better looking men get more promotions, new hires, raises, etc. And lets not mention the fact that more women flock to them too.

The Beatles got s**t about their long hair. Bald men get s**t about their lack of hair stylability. I think what you're really pissed off at is societal norms that have NOTHING to do with sex but rather to do with superficiality.

Of course both genders have issues regarding looks, but it is different for women, it is silly to pretend otherwise.

Take the media for example. How often do you see an actress in a movie who isn't eyecandy? Reverse that, how often is this true for men? Women face more negative image marketing then men do. It's just how it is. If you pick up any magazine with a woman on the cover (unless she is over 50) she will most likely be dressed like a skank and have every pore and blemish blured beyond recignition. Look at a guy in a magazine, he might be buff and hot, or he might just be joe everyguy. Either way, we are allowed to see his pores and small imperfections most of the time.

I'm not saying both genders do not face descrimination. Quite the contrary, guys are often labeled, pigs,aggressive,abusive,pedophiles and the list goes on. Both genders have disadvantages, no one will be denying that.
It's just nice to have it acknoledged rather than swept under the rug.

Can I upvote you twice please :)

I really disagree there.

Men in magazines are gorgeous and airbrushed. I don't see Many "normal" men in them. Magazines sell a lifestyle. Not reality.

Men face just as much pressure but in a different way, to look good. Look at Brad Pitt/ George Clooney, how often are their looks referenced. Or asked how they feel to be on the Sexiest men lists.

everyone is judged on looks. The second you see someone, male or female, what do you see?

Minor thing, but you seem to have this idea that beautiful women are objectified and look like skanks. If you pick up a copy of Company, Maire Claire, Cosmo, the woman are beautiful and classy. Never skanky. Are you sure you're not reading Lads mags?

Really!? Most men I know think women control their sex lives, and are grateful if we allow them near us.

Again, most girls I know (Including me, TBH) expect the man to carry condoms. Sure, I take the pill, but then, that's part of me protecting myself. I still would insist on men having a condom. And most men I know lean the same way, they would be surprised if a woman had a condom, but wouldn't be surprised if she asked him to wear one.