That's so horrible! I can't imagine being so close to being home.

Just going to wager a guess here...

There was either alcohol, or drugs, or both involved.

Seems to be a pattern in these types of attacks. I'll wait for the toxocology report to come out to be sure, I'll wager Karma on it though.

Drugs don't harm anyone. Alcohol is safe for kids. Legalize it all.

Things like this are always really hard to understand, hopefully there isn't more horrid twists to this story. I am really hoping this is the end of it.

FOR TWO HOURS!! PEOPLE CAME TO WATCH!!

Can we finally please get angry!? Can we not blame the parents or society or this or that bulls**t? Can we form a lynch mob of justice that can invite thier friends to stand and watch as these animals are punished for their crimes!?!?

Seriously, I'm sick of it. f**k rehabilitaion.

f**k Humanity. f**k the justice system, and f**k society, who gives a f**k about drugs or alcohol being involved, its no f**king excuse, these people should have the s**t kicked out them and left to bleed in the street. f**king worthless human scum.

But the purpotraitors have human rights.
Seem to me that human rights always protect those that need it least...

I can see trying to rehabilitate a guy that slipped a girl a roofie, but no. These boys.. I can't cannot think of a punishment great enough for what they did.

Drugs and beer = gang rape?

Beer does not a rapist make, marijuana does not a rapist make. This is from something much worse. Unless they were on some real hardcore s**t, I seriously doubt drugs can be blamed for this atrocity.

They can't. But this is rhetoric for Trag as of late. And in a way he's right, this will all be blamed on alcohol and/or drugs; everyone needs a scape goat so why not. I bet they were listening to rap music too and had just finished playing Grand Theft Auto.

Here's who is to blame: a few monsters who call themselves human, and a few witnesses who couldn't muster up the courage to do something about it.

My heart goes out to the girl and her family.

Police said the girl left the dance and was walking to meet her father for a ride home when a classmate invited her to join a group drinking in the courtyard.

ALCOHOL WAS INVOLVED.

From another article:

Kids drinking, she joins and downs a large amount of brandy rendering her unconscious. Kids rape her.

ALCOHOL WAS INVOLVED.

Do you get it now? Does alcohol play no part whatsoever in this animal act? Does the idea of lowering someones inhibitions not coincicde with the outrageous morally deprived act of a group of rapists on a young girl?

Or are you just sticking your head in the freaking sand and going "Nah, couldn't have been the beer"

But blaming it on the alcohol (and the girl's possible choice to imbibe) sounds an awful lot like blaming the victim.

We don't know if they just lied to her, telling her they had alcohol and then punching her after she turned the corner, or if they were sober and gave her a drugged drink, or...

Don't jump on the "ALCOHOL IS BAD" bandwagon before we know for sure it was ACTUALLY involved.

Okay, taking that into account, lets go with the theory that alcohol only amplifies one's existing urges/instincts. Some are happy drunks, some are fighters... these area apparently rapist drunks?? Ohhhh. yeah. that makes it all f**king better.

Beer or whatever alcohol was being consumed is irrelevant. We can't allow these monsters to blame their terrible actions on the use of alcohol. I have quite a few friends that drink, many of whom I drank with in highschool... This may be hard to believe, but neither I nor any of my friends beat or raped anyone despite being s**t-faced drunk on many occassions.

Another thing that may be of interest to you, people are raped without the involvement of alcohol. So the presence of alcohol should be a non-factor, other than to lend credence to the assumption that these teens were already making poor choices of how to spend their time (drink at home not out in public). These kids were looking for trouble.

I bet some of them were smoking cigarettes too. Seriously, it's a probable assumption, just as probable or more so than assuming alcohol was involved (which I'm not arguing). Why are we not blaming cigarettes? Or the Ambercrombie shirts that a few of them were probably wearing?

Scapegoats are not what these kids need, professional help and some time behind bars is what they need.

The problem with society in my opinion is that everyone points the finger at someone/something else for their faults and foul-ups. No one takes responsibility for their own actions anymore.

"I didn't rape that girl, the alcohol did." "I didn't order the death of certain people, a Beatles song speaking in code to me did" "I didn't push people from their homes, steal their land, and hand them blankets tainted with small pox, God made me do it to convert the heathens."

History is riddled with scapegoats, and every last one of them that is used pisses me off.

lynch these guys and put the video on youtube as a deterrent. they need reform not what they drank or smoked

Why do these kind of new reports end up on the front page of plime? All it does is create more hate and fear by showing a random act of violence.
I'm not saying we should turn away from events like these, but try not to focus on them.

All this does is convince people society is getting worse. Sorry to say but these events are nothing new.

Why not? I find it important for people to know what's going on. This is horrendous.

Fear is important. It keeps people cautious and sometimes saves their lives.

It sucks that no matter how careful you are, there will always be someone out there who will try to dominate you.

You're right. It's nothing new. The thing is, it should be. Why should something be new for it to be wrong? It is so sad that people accept this as an event that will happen in their life.

Doesn't that seem wrong to you?

This reminds me of that famous stabbing that occurred in New York in the 70's, when a lot of people watched, but nobody called the police or tried to help because they knew that a lot of people were watching, and they sort of assumed that someone else was already calling the police.


Also, I get the impression that the girl was drunk, but I don't see where in the article it says that the perpetrators were drunk. It sounds like they had consumed some alcohol, but weren't drunk; they got the girl drunk and then raped her. Am I missing something?

I know that my karma is going to hell for this...

But there's a good reason for human rights, no matter how outraged the community is about some people. This instance might look like it warrants throwing out all these protections, but if we throw them out in this one instance, they can be thrown out again. This case might look like the accused are not worthy of protection, but in some other case, the community might not judge so clearly due to their emotional vehemence and prejudice.

yes lets put our heads in the mud that will reduce it. and where have you heard of guys standing around watching a rape in progress?


so instead of showing this to my neice and telling her to be careful i should tell her to be at peace with the world and if somehting nasty happens then just brush it off? i don't think so

Actually that's exactly what I would advise. There is lots of unjust in the world around you but if you let yourself be scared by it, you're wasting your life.
And if something bad does happen, it's best to try to get over it as fast as possible.
I can't believe you would show news like this to children...

true need the rights, a fair trial, and more education