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Pesky gays, always being smart asses
You can't pick and choose picked by Dontgivethedogchoccy 1 month ago
tags leviticus homosexuality bible
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 shuallyo
1 month ago
Doesn't that also apply to gay people wanting to marry by way of a priest or religious ceremony? They shouldn't pick and choose either.

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22). "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13).
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 Illitera...
1 month ago
Erm, where does it say "no hair cuts"?
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 Moe
1 month ago
« IlliterateMook:Erm, where does it say "no hair cuts"?
Leviticus 19:27
Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard

While we're on the topic:

Leviticus 19:19
Keep my decrees.
Do not mate different kinds of animals.
Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.
Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.

Personally, I find it easier to follow the New Testament's commandments.

Love the Lord thy God with all your heart, mind and soul.

and

Love thy neighbor as thyself. (this includes not holding up signs condemning them to Hell for being gay...at least it does in my mind)
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 Illitera...
1 month ago
« Moe:Leviticus 19:27
Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard

...

There's a reason behind the scripture. It's not a command against hair cuts. It's referring to a type of hair cut that is associated with idol worship and with a type of mourning that was forbidden to the Israelites because it would have associated them with the nations around them. The verse is being misquoted. If it was simply about not getting a haircut, why would it be so specific about not cutting just the sides of the hair and the edges of the beard?

Also, I don't hate homosexuals or hold up signs, but the New Testament still condemns homosexuality. You're oversimplifying the NT. There's a little more to it than just loving everybody (which is an important commandment). There are still things you commandments that should be followed.
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 madhatte...
1 month ago
How about this then? Forget the Bible and lets all just love each other unconditionally and without hate or malice.

Hows that sound?
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 Moe
1 month ago
« IlliterateMook:Also, I don't hate homosexuals or hold up signs, but the New Testament still condemns homosexuality. You're oversimplifying the NT.
If I am simplifying the NT, then as far as I am concerned, I am in very good company.

Matthew 22:34-40
22:34 Now when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they assembled together.
22:35 And one of them, an expert in religious law, asked Him a question to test Him:
22:36 “Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?”
22:37 Jesus said to him, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
22:38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
22:39 A second is like it, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
22:40 All the law and the prophets hang on these two commandments.”
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 Illitera...
1 month ago
« Moe:If I am simplifying the NT, then as far as I am concerned, I am in very good company.

Matthew 22:34-40
22:34 Now when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they assembled together.
22:35 And one of them, an expert in religious law, asked Him a question to test Him:
22:36 “Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?”
22:37 Jesus said to him, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
22:38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
22:39 A second is like it, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
22:40 All the law and the prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Yes, all the law and commandments "hang on" or are derived from the law of love... you don't kill, steal, lie, etc. because you're supposed to love everyone and you don't do those things to people you love. However, just because the laws are derived from these two laws (about love) doesn't mean they're the only two commands. It says all the law and the prophets hang on these two commandments, not all the law and prophets are these two commandments.
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 Moe
1 month ago
He said that those were the 2 most important commandments. If you follow them, you walk with Him.

Another example is the woman caught in adultery. Jesus got rid of the Pharisees by telling them that the one who was without sin could cast the first stone. Of course, they all left.

Then He asked her "Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?"

She said, "No one, Lord."

And Jesus said to her, "Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more."

You'll notice a distinct lack of sign waving and Hell damning. And yes, I know that He said go and sin no more. No one is capable of living up to that. He knew that when He told her.

That's why He came to visit us actually.
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 Tait
1 month ago
Interesting debate...
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 Illitera...
1 month ago
Either you're completely off topic or you think that because I think homosexuality is wrong that automatically means I wave signs and tell people they're going to hell, which is incorrect. I believe in forgiveness. However, I will not apologize for believing that homosexuality is wrong. I'm sorry if that constitutes "sign waving and Hell damning" in your books, but that is not my intention at all.

No, Jesus didn't wave signs or do any "hell damning" with the adulteress. I'm pretty sure she was already feeling pretty condemned, so it wasn't necessary for Jesus to condemn her. But why would he have to forgive her if she wasn't doing anything wrong?

God doesn't expect us to be perfect, but He does expect us to have a repentant attitude if/when we do sin. Attempting to use scripture to support a lifestyle that is contrary to scripture isn't exactly what I'd call trying. In fact, that's the only point I'm trying to get across here. Why is this guy (incorrectly) using scripture to try to justify himself when scripture clearly teaches against his lifestyle? Why does he even care?

I don't know if you're trying to biblically justify homosexuality, or if you think I go to that weird Westboro Baptist Church with the "God hates fags" signs and protest at soldier's funerals. I can assure I do not. On the other hand, if you're trying to convince me that homosexuality is biblically acceptable (which I never intended to debate in the first place) there's no point in taking this any further. My only point is that I think the guy is dumb for trying to use the Bible to justify homosexuality. That is all. I'm not here to debate soteriology.
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 Subobisi...
1 month ago
« IlliterateMook
He's not trying to justify homosexuality, he's simply pointing out the hypocrisies, and in that discrediting the bible as a reliable source against homosexuality.
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 Moe
1 month ago
« IlliterateMook :stuff
I never once said anything about you at all.

All I was saying is that from my point of view, Jesus would rather we treated each other nicely than yell and holler and condemn.
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 Dontgive...
1 month ago
« IlliterateMook : However, I will not apologize for believing that homosexuality is wrong.
Ooo good, I guess I don't have to apologise for calling you a bigoted a*****e then.
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 Jerry520
1 month ago
« madhatteraggie : How about this then? Forget the Bible and lets all just love each other unconditionally and without hate or malice.

Hows that sound?
That sounds wonderful. Let's do that. :)
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 illitera...
1 month ago
« Moe:I never once said anything about you at all.

All I was saying is that from my point of view, Jesus would rather we treated each other nicely than yell and holler and condemn.
Well then, I agree with you. I apologize for the confusion. I thought you were implying that I was intolerant. You have to admit you were being a little sarcastic...
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 illitera...
1 month ago
« Dontgivethedogchoccy : Ooo good, I guess I don't have to apologise for calling you a bigoted a*****e then.
Did you even read the rest of the post? Stating what I believe is not intolerant. I never once said anything hateful, rude, or unfounded, which is less than I can say for you.
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 illitera...
1 month ago
« Subobisis : He's not trying to justify homosexuality, he's simply pointing out the hypocrisies, and in that discrediting the bible as a reliable source against homosexuality.
The Bible is not an unreliable source. It's not impossible to love someone and, at the same time, believe what they do is wrong. People do it all the time. Parents don't hate their kids every time they do something wrong.
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 Dontgive...
1 month ago
« illiteratemook : Did you even read the rest of the post? Stating what I believe is not intolerant. I never once said anything hateful, rude, or unfounded, which is less than I can say for you.
And your belief that someone else's life and the way they are biologically is "wrong" based on the bible qualifies you as an a*****e in my opinion.

You're basing your "moral" outlook on an ancient book written by men in a misogynistic, warring time when slavery was acceptable as reflected by the OT in it's directions on how slaves should be treated and implicit lack of condemnation of the practice.

A book written by men who had little to no scientific knowledge and substituted their lack of knowledge with myth, folklore and exaggerated tales.

The point being made by the man in the picture is that if Christians want to point to the OT as a moral compass for today's society then how hypocritical to pick and choose based on current bias and bigotry which parts you still want to adhere to.

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 Dontgive...
1 month ago
« illiteratemook : The Bible is not an unreliable source.
*Chokes on coffee* Ha!

It's not impossible to love someone and, at the same time, believe what they do is wrong.
I'm sure gay people everywhere are so grateful they can still be loved *despite* their sinning.
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 Illitera...
1 month ago
Wow... this is getting so far off topic. I'm not starting another debate. Read my first post. That's what Moe and I were talking about. This is not about what I believe, it's about absurdity of the guy in the picture holding a sign with a reference on it that is totally out of context. Honestly... that is all. However, I do see where you're coming from with the point you made about using the OT as a moral compass for modern society and I somewhat agree. Many of the laws in the OT are no longer applicable because they just don't make sense in modern society. I don't base my beliefs solely on the Old Testament law and I thought that was fairly clear. Moe and I were talking about the NT and Jesus' teachings, and He wasn't around in the OT.

Other than that, I'm not really interested in further discussing personal beliefs with you. It's just a picture, and I'm tired of making comments, to be honest.
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