Out of context?!

The only argument against homosexuality comes for the bible and religion. The teaching that homosexuality is wrong based on the bible comes from the OT. The sign in the picture is therefore completely in context and nicely exposes the pick and choose nature of Christianity.

You cannot say certain parts of the OT are applicable for today and not others. THAT is the point being made in the picture.

I'm not commenting on what point he's trying to make. You're, once again, off topic. By out of context, I mean that the scripture he is referring to doesn't mean what he thinks it means. People don't "pick and choose" what is applicable. The verse he's referring to is no longer applicable simply because it makes no sense in a modern context, as I explained in an earlier comment. I know you think you know what I meant by what I said, but what you think you know about what I meant by what I said is not what I meant.

Neither do the verses on homosexuality or most other parts of the bible.

Like I say, people like you pick and choose what parts of the bible they still want to follow today and use piss poor excuses for that as you've done here

Avoiding my point again. Let me put it like this:

1) The scripture he's referring to in the picture is not a ban on haircuts.
2) He thinks that it means "no hair cuts".
3) He's an idiot.

1+2=3

I would think that regardless of the person holding the sign. That's the only point I originally intended to make when I got dragged into this debate (partially my own fault).

? In this country we are allowed to have whatever haircuts we want without being cried immoral. It doesn't matter if you nip the beard or get a shaved Mohawk, it is still considered acceptable. Your argument is invalid.


Pick and choose.

What are you talking about? I'm not even talking about haircuts...

I give up.

Either you're being a smart ass or you're dumb as a brick.

I'm not sure which yet

That wasn't a reply to you...

I was replying to the guy who apparently things I'm arguing against haircuts now. Either my point is still unclear or it's just not getting through.

I'll try to break it down one more time - I think the man in the picture is dumb because he thinks the verse he's referring to basically means "no hair cuts," as he points out on his sign. That is not what it means. That is all I'm saying... I'm not sure how that is confusing. (Once again, I'm not concerned with the point he's trying to get across or anything like that.)

You have no idea what he thinks. You're assuming that's what he thinks. Perhaps he knows the full context of it and simplifies it to bring up the issue. Even so, he's trying to make a greater point.
And yes, the bible in many ways is an unreliable source for ways to run a modern world. In the modern world, we believe in equality. In the modern world, we don't define right and wrong by someone's sexual orientation.

Wow. Sorry. In that case, the sign is stupid. Maybe he did know the context. In that case, his simplification is still wrong. You can come up with 1000 different possibilities: what if he didn't make the sign, what if he was high when he made it, maybe he just found it on the ground. In any case, the sign is still inaccurate. You allow for him to make an blatantly incorrect statement to support his "greater point," but you oppose my point because you don't like that I think he's an idiot. I didn't think it was unusual to associate the man with the sign he's holding, but apparently it is. All apologies, once again. Now that I've been enlightened I conclude that the sign is inaccurate. Please note I added emphasis to my point, which is all I really ever intended to discuss.

PS - You clearly have a problem with me assuming what the sign-holder thinks (a problem I hope I solved by focusing on the sign, not the man), so perhaps you shouldn't presume to know what I think. Spare me the lesson on the "modern world."

Yeah Mook, I'm with you! f**k haircuts! Down with haircuts! Dammit, what is wrong with people and their stupid cutting of hair?! Seriously people what the f**k??!

HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE DEFEND CUTTING YOUR HAIR?!?!



Jokes aside I'd like to give my own interpretation of the sign; the people who are using the bible to condemn homosexuality are ignoring other parts of the bible (though you're right, the guy used the wrong quote). He could just as easily have used "judge not lest you be judged" (but that was out of context too). Or "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone" or "love thy neighbor".

There's a thousand quotes that could be made but the bottom line is that we are not to judge one another. (and no mooky, I'm not talking about you specifically here)

But then, damn near every time someone quotes the bible we can say that it was taken out of context... After all, unless you include the whole chapter then your quote has been removed from it's original context.

Man... you had me totally confused with the haircut thing. It's hard to tell if someone is joking or being sarcastic when you only have what they write to go on. I honestly didn't know if you were serious or not...

All that aside, I agree with you about taking things out of context. Both sides (people who are opposed and people who are for scripture) do it all the time. I don't think you'd have to quote the whole chapter, but you'd have to give some sort of explanation. I get the point you're making though, and I agree. To be honest, I don't even disagree with the point he's trying to make. The bible doesn't justify hate or intolerance. I just think his point would be better made if he took the time to make a valid argument... which I admit would be hard to do on a sign. Personally, I don't think "judge not lest you be judged" would've been out of context in this case. It might not be exactly what was being referred to at the time it was written, but it definitely has general applications.

Thanks for taking the time to understand, and for not jumping down my throat.

Well I usually try not to jump down throats, I prefer to just slide it in and hope they don't gag...

This is the problem with you gays, do what you want in your own bedroom but quit ramming it down my throat all the time


Errr, errrrmm. *logs out*

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." -Mohandas Gandhi

Can't we all just get along?

What does the bible say about casting pearls again??

As long as it doesn't involve a necklace I don't care.

That's ......just wrong. :)

I'm sorry