Kansas Lawmaker Says Women Should Plan Ahead For Rape: ‘I Have A Spare Tire’ Posted: 5 months ago by Bornbad
During the House debate, she “questioned whether women would buy abortion-only policies long before they have crisis or unwanted pregnancies or are rape victims.” But state Rep. Pete DeGraaf (R) was ready with a shocking retort. DeGraaf said women should plan ahead for situations such as rape because, after all, “I have a spare tire on my car“:
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Posted: 5 months ago by bcgrote:
Un-effing-believable! If I am to take responsibility for the actions of a criminal, I would have to BE one first, and carry my handgun with me.

Or maybe a nice rapist will put the condom on, or wait until I'm not fertile, or something?

Rape SHOULD NOT be an expected part of anyone's life. Except maybe De Graaf's. What a jurkfayse....
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Posted: 5 months ago by keroberos32:
This piece of news right here f**king ruined my day... then I got drunk and thought up a couple of solutions:

A. I say we get someone to rape this guy to see how "prepared" he is with his "spare tire"

B. His mother should have "hung" him while he was still in the womb
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Posted: 5 months ago by JoshSF49:
While it sounds callous and insensitive, I do think he has a point.

1 out of every 3 women in the United States will be raped in her lifetime. That's more likely than being in a serious car accident, and it's more likely than your house getting robbed. But we plan for those things with airbags and security alarms.

Granted, I don't agree with all the details of his message, but I hardly see why planning ahead in the case of rape is such an egregious concept.
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Posted: 5 months ago by kim0627:
So it was my fault a long time "friend" slipped something into my drink??? It is my fault that some guy feeling he had the right to touch me the way he did??? "Guy" get off your high horse. No one ask to be raped. It does not feel good to be raped. No one gets pleasure from someone forcing you to do sex acts on them.

Yes, 1 out every 3 women will be raped. Maybe we should be looking at the ppl doing the raping and not the person being forced.
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Posted: 5 months ago by cecilberman:
« JoshSF49 : While it sounds callous and insensitive, I do think he has a point.

1 out of every 3 women in the United States will be raped in her lifetime. That's more likely than being in a serious car accident, and it's more likely than your house getting robbed. But we plan for those things with airbags and security alarms.

Granted, I don't agree with all the details of his message, but I hardly see why planning ahead in the case of rape is such an egregious concept.
Too bad you got down-voted for this, but it should have been expected. I was thinking the very same thing.

DeGraaf's comment is abhorrent but logical. I don't agree with it, and believe he should never have said it - in public or private, but if you strip away the issue in question, the analogy is sound.

There is no justification for rape. As a man, I can't begin to imagine the fear of rape that many women have, nor can I begin to imagine what it's like to live with being raped. I've had a couple of past girlfriends who were raped or molested, and the emotional scars were evident and permanent. No woman should ever have to go through that, and the penalties for rape ought to be increased.

So now you know how I feel about rape. It's a vicious crime, and the victim should never be blamed. But should she be prepared?

The odds of your house burning down are far less than the odds of you being raped. Yet you buy homeowners insurance.

If you can forget that we're discussing rape (and if you can not, read no further), and just think about any occurrence and the odds of it happening. If the odds of something bad happening were one in ten, you would buy insurance for it, right? If the odds of something bad happening were one in five, you would be prepared for it, right? So, logically, if the odds of something happening is one in three (borrowing from Josh's stats, not dissimilar from numbers I've read), then being prepared for it is a logical behavior.

But we are talking about rape. And the stigma of this horrible crime is what makes logical statements off limits. DeGraaf's comments were out of line. Comparing rape to getting a flat tire, regardless of the relative likelihood of each occurrence, was improper and insensitive.
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Posted: 5 months ago by kim0627:
Says to girlfriends.. "Hey since we are going out tonight. We need to buy our rape insurance."

I have homeowners insurance because I have too. I have car insurance because I have too. So now that I am a women and have a greater chance of being raped. I have to buy rape insurance. Thanks. Next lets cut the genitals off the rapist. Just to insure they can't do it again. In fact I will personal get the tool we use on bulls and use on the "human".
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Posted: 5 months ago by cecilberman:
« kim0627:Says to girlfriends.. "Hey since we are going out tonight. We need to buy our rape insurance."

I have homeowners insurance because I have too. I have car insurance because I have too. So now that I am a women and have a greater chance of being raped. I have to buy rape insurance. Thanks. Next lets cut the genitals off the rapist. Just to insure they can't do it again. In fact I will personal get the tool we use on bulls and use on the "human".
That's not what I said.
And Josh didn't say it was your fault that someone slipped something into your drink.
I appreciate your desire to participate in this discussion, but please respond what we've actually written.
Neither of us are suggesting anything about you or any women, nor are we even talking about rape.
Both of us discussed the concept of preparing for a theoretical event based on the odds of that event occurring. We did so to separate the logic of DeGraaf's comment from the tastelessness of it and the poor judgment he showed in expressing it.
It's like someone appreciating the ability of Hitler to motivate millions to do his bidding. He was a horrible criminal who was responsible for the deaths of twelve million people and untold suffering. But if you were to discuss his leadership skills and political savvy, separate from what he did with those talents, it's hard not to give him some credit. Too bad he couldn't have used his powers for good instead of evil.
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Posted: 5 months ago by wildgrits:
I have insurance in case I have an accident and end up paying for someone elses medical and auto repairs. I do not have insurance in case you hit me. That's what your insurance is for. The person at faults insurances pays the bills.

That being said, if as a woman I have a one and three chance of getting raped, then it is my assumption that my rapist is more likely than not to be a man. Well then it stands to reason if this is the case, then men should have to carry rape insurance.

As best as I can term it, that sort of like saying, well if you walk outside, you should carry auto insurance because you might get hit by a car.

BCGROTE got it right. Rape SHOULD NOT be an expected part of anyone's life. Except maybe De Graaf's. What a jurkfayse....
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Posted: 5 months ago by derAlt:
« JoshSF49 : While it sounds callous and insensitive, I do think he has a point.

1 out of every 3 women in the United States will be raped in her lifetime. That's more likely than being in a serious car accident, and it's more likely than your house getting robbed. But we plan for those things with airbags and security alarms.

Granted, I don't agree with all the details of his message, but I hardly see why planning ahead in the case of rape is such an egregious concept.
Exactly what "preparation" should a woman have to ward off a rape? Carry a gun??

That's an interesting perspective that a woman who is unprepared for a rape is somehow lacking. WTF??
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Posted: 5 months ago by keroberos32:
« JoshSF49 : While it sounds callous and insensitive, I do think he has a point...
« cecilberman : Too bad you got down-voted for this, but it should have been expected. I was thinking the very same thing...
It seems to me like you two jokers carry a 'spare tire' as well...

*adds name to rape list

NO ONE, do you hear me? NO ONE should expect something as violating as a rape to be a part of their lives! NO ONE.

It is not a crime of passion, it is a crime of control and hinting at the fact that WOMEN SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR A RAPE is also another bid for control.

Let's control the fate of women by not only suggesting they'd get raped more often, but by also letting them know that they should expect it and thus be prepared for it.

I should have known that the likes of you have non-existent morals and human values and just watch as you tell your wife/girlfriend/daughters to make sure that their 'Rape Insurance' isn't going to lapse.

I swear, you two are a f**king waste of air as well...
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Posted: 5 months ago by keroberos32:

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Posted: 5 months ago by JoshSF49:
« cecilberman : Too bad you got down-voted for this, but it should have been expected. I was thinking the very same thing.
I expected it, but I'm not concerned about upvotes or downvotes anymore. The little numbers are meaningless to me. The point is that people are looking at this from an emotional standpoint, not a logical standpoint.

« wildgrits : BCGROTE got it right. Rape SHOULD NOT be an expected part of anyone's life. Except maybe De Graaf's. What a jurkfayse....
He is not saying that rape should be an expected part of anyone's life. He is saying that rape is a possibility for any woman (and men at a lesser degree). Thus, we should all prepare for the worst, even if it makes us feel uncomfortable.

Whenever I'm at the bar or club, I do not let my drink out of sight. This isn't because I expect to be drugged, but it is to protect me in the off chance someone might want to.

I still disagree with De Graaf's comments, but preparing for the worst-case scenario is hardly something we should scoff at.
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Posted: 5 months ago by JoshSF49:
« keroberos32:I should have known that the likes of you have non-existent morals and human values and just watch as you tell your wife/girlfriend/daughters to make sure that their 'Rape Insurance' isn't going to lapse.

I swear, you two are a f**king waste of air as well...
Grow up. I don't want any person to be raped.But I'm going to do everything possible to protect my wife, girlfriend, or daughter from it happening.
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Posted: 5 months ago by wildgrits:
« JoshSF49 : Grow up. I don't want any person to be raped.But I'm going to do everything possible to protect my wife, girlfriend, or daughter from it happening.
While I agree with what you are saying, I also try to make my families environment as safe as possible from any sort of danger, that is not what this lawmaker is saying.

"DeGraaf said women should plan ahead for situations such as rape because, after all, “I have a spare tire on my car“"

Protecting your family and planning for rape are not the same thing.
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Posted: 5 months ago by zircon77777:
« keroberos32 : It seems to me like you two jokers carry a 'spare tire' as well...

*adds name to rape list

NO ONE, do you hear me? NO ONE should expect something as violating as a rape to be a part of their lives! NO ONE.

It is not a crime of passion, it is a crime of control and hinting at the fact that WOMEN SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR A RAPE is also another bid for control.

Let's control the fate of women by not only suggesting they'd get raped more often, but by also letting them know that they should expect it and thus be prepared for it.

I should have known that the likes of you have non-existent morals and human values and just watch as you tell your wife/girlfriend/daughters to make sure that their 'Rape Insurance' isn't going to lapse.

I swear, you two are a f**king waste of air as well...
That's not what either of them said.

You destroy your argument by claiming a false position of theirs to attack.
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Posted: 5 months ago by zircon77777:
« derAlt : Exactly what "preparation" should a woman have to ward off a rape? Carry a gun??

That's an interesting perspective that a woman who is unprepared for a rape is somehow lacking. WTF??
Excellent question. And probably a better thing to discuss than the issue being discussed.

Given the probability that someone will attempt to rape you, what can you do? Weapons? Avoid certain areas or activities? Wear the anti-rape device previously described on Plime? Exercise more caution in bars and fraternities? Go out only in groups? What?
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Posted: 5 months ago by Interesting:
Ok, so I think it's bad to get "rape insurance"...I do think woman should plan ahead. Take self defense classes, buy a gun/taser/mace (medieval mace if you can get it in your purse) and learn how to use them...train a dog to kill anyone who attacks you and call it a "service dog". All of this is planning ahead, some men are jerks and will attack innocent women...and you wouldn't know it until they attack. Plan ahead and be ready...and if they pull out their soft and tender bits...remember they are soft and tender and use that to your advantage!!!!
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Posted: 5 months ago by Brittni:
This raises a hot button topic among rape survivors, something I am all too familiar with. The reality is women should never have to expect to encounter this, but the statistics are pretty grim. Aside from the 1 in 3 statistic, did you know a woman is at a higher risk of being raped if she has been raped before? Once it happens, the risk goes UP that it will happen again. While SAYING men should take responsibility and not do this type of thing is great lip service, it does nothing in the long run without comprehensive efforts within the community.

There is an organization called Men Can Stop Rape. This is the type of group we need to be giving attention to, not the atrocious comments of those who know little about what it is to be a woman. Don't even get me started on that thunderstorm comment a few years back. Having said that, why is there villification for admitting that this world is often hellish? In an ideal world a woman could walk down the street nude, but we don't live in an ideal world. Until groups like Men Can Stop Rape become wider spread and embraced, we will continue to live in a world with monsters. So, though clumsily and crudely suggested, this is something which needs to be discussed in depth and with practicality in mind. It was terrible when I went through it myself.

De Graaf, however, should chew on his toes away from this issue. He's added enough insensitivity as it is.
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Posted: 5 months ago by dollyllama:
« zircon77777 : Excellent question. And probably a better thing to discuss than the issue being discussed.

Given the probability that someone will attempt to rape you, what can you do? Weapons? Avoid certain areas or activities? Wear the anti-rape device previously described on Plime? Exercise more caution in bars and fraternities? Go out only in groups? What?
Put all men behind bars? Exactly why is it *I* have to protect myself against you. Because now my presumption has to be that ANY of you are about to rape me. That is the ONLY way I can be prepared.

This is utter insanity.
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Posted: 5 months ago by dollyllama:
« Interesting : Ok, so I think it's bad to get "rape insurance"...I do think woman should plan ahead. Take self defense classes, buy a gun/taser/mace (medieval mace if you can get it in your purse) and learn how to use them...train a dog to kill anyone who attacks you and call it a "service dog". All of this is planning ahead, some men are jerks and will attack innocent women...and you wouldn't know it until they attack. Plan ahead and be ready...and if they pull out their soft and tender bits...remember they are soft and tender and use that to your advantage!!!!
And when none of that works she can't get an abortion??
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