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 Abortion crisis as doctors refuse to perform surgery
Abortion crisis as doctors refuse to perform surgery
Britain is facing an abortion crisis because an unprecedented number of doctors are refusing to be involved in carrying out the procedure. picked by AutumnLotus 3 years ago
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 makri
3 years ago
« mrsdork : a better protest would have been avoidig the situation as a whole
You mean, never studied to be a doctor? Choose a profession where you don't have to perform abortions at all. Like a car salesman?
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 mrsdork
3 years ago
« makri : I agree that abstinence should be presented as the preferred method. But abstinence only education is dangerous and harmful. The fact is that many (most) teenagers still choose to have sex early, so they should be equipped with the information they need to do it safely.

im a teenager and in my opinion genrelazations like that are what pressure teens into having sex
not "everybodys doin it"
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 mrsdork
3 years ago
« mrsdork : im a teenager and in my opinion genrelazations like that are what pressure teens into having sex
not "everybodys doin it"

Catholic Hospitals
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 makri
3 years ago
« mrsdork : "everybodys doin it"
Most are. It's your personal choice if you choose not to, but the society shouldnt cater to the few odd people who choose abstinence.
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 mrsdork
3 years ago
i quoted the wrong thing
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 mrsdork
3 years ago
« makri : Most are. It's your personal choice if you choose not to, but the society shouldnt cater to the few odd people who choose abstinence.
no, but abstinence is barely taught society assumes that everyones having sex and they cater to those who are doing it
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 dork
3 years ago
« makri : You mean, never studied to be a doctor? Choose a profession where you don't have to perform abortions at all. Like a car salesman?
if i dream of being an airforce pilot sence i was 8 (which i have) and i realize that theres one thing i dont like about airforce pilots that i didnt see before. should i be a car sales man or should i try to stand up for what i belive in.

these doctors went to medical school and ate slept and breathed medical stuff so i dont think they would like to be car sales men/women
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 makri
3 years ago
« Sencerd : I can go on all day, and you may want to try exercising some judgement before calling someone's views naive, my views were concisely summarised, not naive.
Over half of all women who have an abortion used a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant.

Also, every year 13,000 women choose to abort pregnancy that resulted from rape/incest.


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« mrsdork : i quoted the wrong thing
You know you can edit your posts, you don't have to hit "add a comment" every time?
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 mrsdork
3 years ago
« dork : if i dream of being an airforce pilot sence i was 8 (which i have) and i realize that theres one thing i dont like about airforce pilots that i didnt see before. should i be a car sales man or should i try to stand up for what i belive in.

these doctors went to medical school and ate slept and breathed medical stuff so i dont think they would like to be car sales men/women
or they could work at a Catholic Hospital where Abortions arent performed.
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 dork
3 years ago
« mrsdork : or they could work at a Catholic Hospital where Abortions arent performed.
what if they arnt catholic?
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 mrsdork
3 years ago
« makri : Over half of all women who have an abortion used a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant.

Also, every year 13,000 women choose to abort pregnancy that resulted from rape/incest.
murder is never an excuse...adoption
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 dork
3 years ago
« mrsdork : murder is never an excuse...adoption
agreed. if you turned all the abortion clinics to adoption centers the world would be a better place.
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 mrsdork
3 years ago
« dork : what if they arnt catholic?
well...theres always going to be things in every hospital they arent going to like so weight the negatives murder or no murder
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 makri
3 years ago
« mrsdork : murder is never an excuse...adoption
That's a useless argument. Go tell that to an incest victim who got pregnant. Tell her to shut up and bear with it.

You have no idea what they have to go through, you have no right to tell them what they can or cannot do. That is, unless you yourself were raped, got pregnant, carried the baby and gave it away for adoption and didn't think it was a big deal.
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 ReBoot
3 years ago
You're right, Makri. Let's not make the mother go through all of that stress. Let's just kill the baby.

There's a confusion of issues here. Why not just crack down harder on incest and rape, and stop that problem completely rather than taking it out on the babies?

Just because society uses it's combined "ingrained morals" to decide something is ok does not mean that it is right. It just means that society on the whole has decided that they're good with it.
Most of Germany was ok with the complete extermination of the Jews. That didn't make it right. Murder is murder, no matter how many people agree that it "isn't."
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 makri
3 years ago
« ReBoot : You're right, Makri. Let's not make the mother go through all of that stress. Let's just kill the baby.
If the mother doesn't have very strong religious opposition to abortion, it's probably less traumatic option for her than carrying the baby, giving birth and giving the baby up for adoption.

There's a confusion of issues here. Why not just crack down harder on incest and rape, and stop that problem completely rather than taking it out on the babies?
If there was easy way to stop rape and incest, it probably would have been implemented. I'm all for adding resources to prevent violence against women. I doubt we can ever make it go away completely, and thus our problem still stays.

Murder is murder, no matter how many people agree that it "isn't."
Calling abortion a murder is an opinion. You can find arguments for and against. Just because you want it to be simple, clear cut issue doesn't make it such. It's just a debatable, hot topic (and not even that in some countries). It's mostly just semantics - what can be defined as life and what can't

Some people believe that masturbation is a (mass) murder. Just because a small group of people believe so doesn't necessarily make it true.
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 ieldanth
3 years ago
It should be noted though that rape/incest accounts for maybe 1-3% of all abortions.

1 in 5 pregnancies are aborted.

This doesn't mean banning it is a solution, but it has become a bit out of hand.
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 Boomshan...
3 years ago
« Sencerd : Give me one other reason a woman would have an abortion, the fact is that if you get knocked up and then decide you don't want the baby
Well, just off the top of my head, there's always rape, or incest.

*cough* "Excuse me Mr. Rapist. I really don't want an abortion. Would you mind terribly if you slip this johnny on your todger, there's a good chap"
*edit* Ooops, didn't see page two of this thread. This one's already been covered.
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 Kitsune8...
3 years ago
« makri : If the mother doesn't have very strong religious opposition to abortion, it's probably less traumatic option for her than carrying the baby, giving birth and giving the baby up for adoption.
An abortion is a very traumatic experience for a woman, it's not something that they get over quickly (physically or mentally).
I agree with mrsdork that abstinence is the only 100% effective way of avoiding pregnancy.
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 sfeldner
3 years ago
« makri : The fact is that many (most) teenagers still choose to have sex early, so they should be equipped with the information they need to do it safely.
Is that a fact now? Really? Teenagers "choose" to do what they do based on the way that they were raised.

A emotionally healthy child raised in an emotionally healthy home where ethics and responsibility are taught DO NOT make stupid decisions about things like sex... And the parents in such a situation DO NOT "give up" and say, "Well, we can't keep them from screwing so let's give them condoms".

It's all about personal responsibility! Any parent who thinks that they have no control over how their children act or what they do has no right raising children! Claiming "peer pressure" is just a cop-out. A parents most important job in life is to instill responsibility in their children! "Couples" who end up in an unwanted pregnancy - young, old, married, single - are, very simply, practicing irresponsibility.

Just to be clear, I am 110% in favor of a woman's (and man's) right to choose - to choose whether or not to screw - that's it. Once a woman and a man decide to have sex, the decision has been made - the right to choose has been granted and the choice has been made. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.

People who don't have personal responsibility get pregnant and have abortions - simple as that.

(Disclaimer: The above argument DOES NOT include pregnancies resulting from rape or incest or where a full term pregnancy would result in the mother's death.)
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