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 Hairdresser sued for refusing to hire Muslim woman in a headscarf
Hairdresser sued for refusing to hire Muslim woman in a headscarf
The owner of a hair salon is being sued for religious discrimination for refusing to hire a Muslim woman who wears a headscarf. Sarah Desrosiers, 32, says she turned down Bushra Noah as a junior stylist to maintain the image of her salon, which specialises in "urban, funky" cuts. She told Miss Noah, 19, she needed her staff to display their hairstyles to the public. picked by AutumnLotus 2 years ago
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 Mershaul...
2 years ago
I don't see anything wrong with what the hairdresser is asking of her. Not everything should conform to this woman's religion.

But the devout Muslim insisted that wearing her headscarf was essential to her beliefs.
Then don't work at a salon that requires you to show your hair.

Miss Noah, who has been rejected for 25 different hairdressing jobs after interviews, is suing Miss Desrosiers for more than £15,000 for injury to her feelings plus an unspecified sum for lost earnings.
What is society coming to when people are suing others for hurting their feelings?
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 sykeo56
2 years ago
Yeah. This is dumb. I'm not gonna sue Hooters for not hiring me as a waitress. I'm a friggin' man. People are so stupid.
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 tundramo...
2 years ago
I just don't understand why she has to sue!

Sure - I'd agree with filing a human rights complaint (hold your horses, Americans - our 'human rights' are the same as your 'civil rights'), but why sue? I don't understand!

Not hiring the woman because she believes in her headscarf would be akin to not hiring someone for wearing a cross or a star of David on a necklace. There are also other ways besides showing hair to be funky - it's called makeup and clothing. My Muslim friend Shereen has headscarfs made out of material so fashionable that I'd consider wearing one just for the style.

But I don't see why she should sue. How will monetary compensation remedy the situation? It will just cause increased tension between muslims and other groups, IMO.
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 clscott6...
2 years ago
Okay, so it was fine that the last TWENTY FIVE places turned her down but THIS woman has to pay for it? Unbelievable. I have NO problem with the decision Sarah made. I completely agree with the business decision to not hire someone because you do not think that they portray the best image to promote the direction that you want YOUR business to go and I TOTALLY agree with Mersh in saying that this woman is ridiculous in thinking that WE/EVERYONE should conform to HER religion.

Great, now I am all fired up on a Friday morning.

Way to go Autumn! :P
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 2manyuse...
2 years ago
« tundramonkey : I just don't understand why she has to sue!

Sure - I'd agree with filing a human rights complaint (hold your horses, Americans - our 'human rights' are the same as your 'civil rights'), but why sue? I don't understand!

Not hiring the woman because she believes in her headscarf would be akin to not hiring someone for wearing a cross or a star of David on a necklace. There are also other ways besides showing hair to be funky - it's called makeup and clothing. My Muslim friend Shereen has headscarfs made out of material so fashionable that I'd consider wearing one just for the style.

But I don't see why she should sue. How will monetary compensation remedy the situation? It will just cause increased tension between muslims and other groups, IMO.
eh??! Please get real.

NO rights were violated, neither civil or human.

Not hiring someone who CUTS HAIR because they don't show their hair has nothing to do with religion, nor does it have anything to do with wearing or not wearing a cross/star of david.

Just as not everything is because of race, not everything is because of religion.

She is not being refused a job because "she believes in headscarves" She is being refused a job because she can't fill the basic requirement. The dress code if you will.

Yes, there are other ways to be "funky". However you do know that a hairstylist has that key word in "hair". She isn't applying to be a makeup-artist. She isn't applying to be a clothing sales clerk.

Bravo for your friend and her stylish headscarves, however this place does not sell scarves. They sell hair styling.

If the place exclusively sold head scarves and someone refused to wear one, it would not be a violation of their rights to not hire them.

Surely you can see the fallacy of your logic in dermining that it was wrong for her not to be hired.

I could list a 1000 jobs that require you to dress or act a certain way, none violate anyone's rights.
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 innermop...
2 years ago
This is interesting. I support the womans right to hire who she wants and that she can decide what "image" she wants for her business... at the same time as a minority, phrases like "You just don't fit the image we are going for" gives me the wiggins. Imagine if it were a black woman or an asian woman trying to get a job in an all white establishment and being told "You just don't fit the image we are going for." That would send off warning signals in my head.

I would think a business that prides itself on being urban and funky, would appreciate the diversity and asthetic that this woman could bring to her business. What is more "urban" than multiculturalism?

That said, its dumb to sue the salon owner. That would be like me suing Cheetahs because they didn't hire me. Dude, I'm like 110lbs over the weight limit. Duh. My milkshake will not bring the boys to the yard.

I think Bushra should save the money she is blowing on lawyer fees and start her own business out of her home. She should build up a nice clientel by word of mouth, then open a shop right next door to Miss Urban-Funky and drive that narrow minded, Kool-Aid dyed dumbass out of business the old fashioned way. The best revenge is the one you truly earn.
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 tundramo...
2 years ago
« innermoppet : This is interesting. I support the womans right to hire who she wants and that she can decide what "image" she wants for her business... at the same time as a minority, phrases like "You just don't fit the image we are going for" gives me the wiggins. Imagine if it were a black woman or an asian woman trying to get a job in an all white establishment and being told "You just don't fit the image we are going for." That would send off warning signals in my head.
My thoughts precisely. People of colour were routinely denied jobs throughout history because they 'didn't fit the image'. Jews were legally unable to hold a job throughout history just because of religion. I support this woman for challenging the status quo, but I do NOT support her method of doing so (suing).
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 2manyuse...
2 years ago
People. Why are you not paying attention? Why are you turning this into something it is not?

Comparing someone not being hired because they won't fulfill the duties of the job, because they won't follow the dress code with someone not being hired because of the color of their skin is just silly. I expect that of the "reverend" jackson, but thought you people were a bit more intelligent.

Innermoppet, you contradicted yourself.
One minute you say the HAIR salon should hire her even though she won't show her hair, next minute you are saying it is understandable for the Cheetahs to not hire you.
Would the Cheetahs be violating your civil rights?
Would they be "narrow-minded dumbasses?"

Tundramonkey, again. Read above. She is wanting to be a hairstylist. Not hiring someone because they are jewish, black, or whatever has nothing to do with this.

If you worked in a place that sold suits and you refused to wear a suit,(for whatever reason, it doesn't matter if it is because of a religious belief or other reasons) would it be unreasonable for the company to not hire you? Would they be "narrow-minded" an obvious and misguided euphenism for prejudiced?

If someone's job requires them to "fit an image" and they don't or won't, then refusing to give them the job is not a violation of any rights, it just common sense.

If the job doesn't require a certain image, than yes it would be a violation. However, this job does.

If I wanted to get a job as a male model, I doubt I'd be hired (except possibly as the "before")
Would it be a violation to not hire me because "I don't fit the image"?

This has zero to do with race, creed, color, etc. To compare this with the struggles faced previously by minorites is a huge insult to the minorites. They didn't get hired because of who and what they were. She is not being hired because she won't follow the dress code.
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 bunnysut...
2 years ago
UPS won't hire me because I'm fat (no kidding!)

I don't fit their image.

Have I sued them? nope.

Businesses should at least have a right to create their own branding and image. It seems that we've come to hate the corporate machine so much that we've allowed the pendulum to swing excessively in the opposite direction with frivolous litigation.
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 sparklye...
2 years ago
This wasn't a religious issue until Miss Noah decided to make it into one.

I'm reminded of the boy who called wolf. If everyone sues every time they think some one violated their rights, the lawsuits that really matter won't get the attention they deserve.

My office won't allow me to come in naked, can I sue for treading on my rights as a nudist?
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 tundramo...
2 years ago
« 2manyusernames : Tundramonkey, again. Read above. She is wanting to be a hairstylist. Not hiring someone because they are jewish, black, or whatever has nothing to do with this.
This has everything to do with not hiring someone because they are jewish or black or whatever.

What is the difference between not hiring someone who is jewish and not hiring someone who is muslim?
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 Marz
2 years ago
« tundramonkey : This has everything to do with not hiring someone because they are jewish or black or whatever.

What is the difference between not hiring someone who is jewish and not hiring someone who is muslim?
But she's not been turned down because she's muslim, it's because she won't remove her headscarf. The business is a hairdresser's. I look at the stylists in a hairdresser's before I trust them with my hair. If I couldn't see how she styled and treated her own hair, I would be very reluctant to allow her to go at my hair. I would get turned down for a job at hooters. Not becaue I'm Irish or agnostic or whatever, but because I don't have huge boobs. I don't fit the image. I don't get a job.
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 drzima
2 years ago
This is pure crap. I HATE sue happy people, but this is what society has come to. Whatever happened to its my business and I'll run it how I want.
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 yoornotm...
2 years ago
Would you want a tattoo from a tattoo artist with no tattoos?
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 sparklye...
2 years ago
« tundramonkey : This has everything to do with not hiring someone because they are jewish or black or whatever.

What is the difference between not hiring someone who is jewish and not hiring someone who is muslim?
Being Muslim is not the reason for Miss Noah not being hired. It's because her look did not comply with Miss Desrosiers' vision for her business. Miss Desrosiers' business is a private company, and she has every right to decide who can and cannot work there based on their look.

That's the benefit of living in the free world. Yes, you can believe whatever you want to believe, but occasionally someone is not going to agree with you. And that's their right to do so.
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 2manyuse...
2 years ago
« tundramonkey : This has everything to do with not hiring someone because they are jewish or black or whatever.

What is the difference between not hiring someone who is jewish and not hiring someone who is muslim?
Please tell me you are just trying to be argumentive or playing some sort of joke. Surely you can not be so blind??

She is not being refused a job because she is muslim. How can you not see that?? Did you read anything at all that I wrote??? Did you read the article?

She is being refused a job because she won't follow the dress code, because she won't fulfill the duties of the job.

Seriously. It is quite logical.
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 innermop...
2 years ago
« 2manyusernames : Innermoppet, you contradicted yourself.
One minute you say the HAIR salon should hire her even though she won't show her hair, next minute you are saying it is understandable for the Cheetahs to not hire you.
Would the Cheetahs be violating your civil rights?
Would they be "narrow-minded dumbasses?"
I respectfully disagree. I did not contradict myself. I do believe she has the right to decide how the image of her business should be. That doesn't mean I don't think the image is stupid or that her concept of "Urban" is narrow minded.

I think she's a dumbass because I think she is running a business on the phony premise of "urban" that is really watered down and targeted at making white people feel Jiggy with It. I've tried to take my baby fro' to many an Urban-Funk type salon. They stroke my delicate curls and say "Have you ever thought about straightening your hair?" Then I walk out, hurling invectives as I go.

I didn't say the hair salon SHOULD hire her. I said I think its dumb that they didn't hire her because of the scarf. I don't have an issue that the job requires a certain dress code. I just think its a STUPID dress code.
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 marli
2 years ago
« 2manyusernames : People. Why are you not paying attention?
I think you're confusing "paying attention" with "agreeing with what I'm saying".
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 2manyuse...
2 years ago
« innermoppet:I respectfully disagree. I did not contradict myself. I do believe she has the right to decide how the image of her business should be. That doesn't mean I don't think the image is stupid or that her concept of "Urban" is narrow minded.

I think she's a dumbass because I think she is running a business on the phony premise of "urban" that is really watered down and targeted at making white people feel Jiggy with It. I've tried to take my baby fro' to many an Urban-Funk type salon. They stroke my delicate curls and say "Have you ever thought about straightening your hair?" Then I walk out, hurling invectives as I go.

I didn't say the hair salon SHOULD hire her. I said I think its dumb that they didn't hire her because of the scarf. I don't have an issue that the job requires a certain dress code. I just think its a STUPID dress code.
It isn't that the owner has a vision of what her business should look like. It is that she is selling hair styles. If you are working there, you have to demostrate the product, which happens to be your hair.

It isn't even that there is a dress code. It is more a showing of the product that you are selling.

It would be the same if you were selling anything.
If you sell suits, you need to wear a suit.
If you sell headscarves, you need to wear a headscarf.
If you sell dentisty services, you need to have clean straight teeth.
If you are selling ferraris you shouldn't let the customer see you are driving a Yugo.
If you are selling investment services, you shouldn't let the customer see you are driving a Yugo.

If you are wanting to be on the Cheetah's, you have to be able to fulfill the duties of the job. You said that and that is logical and true.

You said you couldn't as you weren't in good enough shape.

Not hiring you is not being narrow-minded, it isn't being stupid.

Again, it isn't that they refused to hire her because of the scarf. They refused to hire her because she refused to show the product offered for sale. If she was bald, it would be the same thing. Very few, if any, hairsalons would hire a bald person.
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 hypersap...
2 years ago
« innermoppet : I don't have an issue that the job requires a certain dress code. I just think its a STUPID dress code.
You can't possibly believe that it's an arbitrary dress code, do you? You do understand the reason for it, right?
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