How stupid. Why didn't they just add a Menorah?

“Some symbols, even though the Supreme Court has declared that in many contexts they are secular symbols, often still send a message to some members of the community that they and their traditions are not valued and not wanted. We don’t want to send that message,”

What do they think they're doing by banning religious or "religious" symbols? Why not just include symbols from other religions or cultures and secular ones too? Afraid they'll miss some lesser known ones and *gasp* offend someone? Jesus Christ (so to speak)...it's like they're turning PC into its own "religion"...oh gosh, what does the Supreme Court say about that? What about everyone else on the face of the planet? *shriek*

I guess they know about the frequency of ridiculous litigations all too well.

I worship a Geometric Goddess whose symbol is the octogon. And for years the government has consistently denied my right to religion by placing these signs all over the country:



This injustice must be stopped! I, and the members of my church, are systematically replacing these heinous signs with a more positive message:



Take that, American Religious Right!

This sounds like a good idea to me. Adding a menorah would help nothing as it would still leave out numerous other religions. There are plenty of ways to decorate for a winter theme without being Christian, and seperation of church and state means that the city should be doing that anyway. The city's job is to accomodate everyone who lives there, not exclude everyone who isn't Christian.

Oh phooey, you're not feeling special and wanted. Shut up and go f**k yourself.

I'm atheist and the Christmas stuff doesn't offend me, this banning does!

I hate how politically correct this nation is getting. If my kids wind up going to public school, I want them to be able to tell their friends "Happy Christmas", wear a ghost costume to school, have Valentine's Day parties, etc.

This is ridiculous.

I don't know whether you are being serious or not.

If you aren't: hahahahahaha

If you are: bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha

We all know what happened to old Ebeneezer when he tried to BAH-HUMBUG Christmas!



Me thinks there needs to be some visits from the ghosts of past, present, and yet to be. The message is clear:

Peace on earth, good will toward men.(and women). Sounds like a positive message for all humanity.

I'm christian and I didn't know that red and green were the Official Colors of Christianity(tm).

If I am not mistaken, those colors were originally chosen from the evergreen holly bush, which is actually pagan in origin(the colors chosen, not the bush).

Here is a site with an explanation of what things means... Christmas Meanings I am sure there are others. I am a Christian too. I would also like to add, if people of other faiths would like to see their holidays more recognized, I am all for it. It would bring us closer together if we learned more about one another. I say, bring it on. I, for one, am not stopping anybody from celebrating any holiday. And if a person chooses not to celebrate, that is fine too, but don't say I didn't warn you. See above post.

a blog dedicated to Christmas, cool :)

I dunno. I have a hard time when people have issues with Christmas for being to Christian. Traditionally it is the celebration of Jesus birth. It would be like complaining that Hanukkah is too Jewish and should not have any reference to the miraculous Menorah that burned for 8 days. It would be like complaining that Kwanza is too afro-centric. It is like going to the beach and complaining that it is too sandy. I think everyone can celebrate Christmas in what ever way they want, just please don't complain about its inherent Christainess. (<-- New word!)

While it's clearly possible for this to be going on in Colorado, I'd not panic just yet.

It's a blog, so anyone could be writing anything with just about any agenda imaginable. The author of this article is 'Bah Humbug', not quite Peter Jennings.

Actually, white lights would be more religiously significant than red and green. Red and green are associated with the pagan symbols of holly berries and evergreen boughs, while the color white symbolizes Christ. Me thinks Fort Collins just shot themselves in the foot. Political-correctness can be so entertaining.

Christmas actually started as a pagan winter celebration. The early Catholic church started "Christ Mass" in order to entice pagan Romans to convert to Christianity without losing their own winter celebrations, which is why the holiday retained many of the pagan traditions. It is actually more probable that Jesus was born in September. Read more here.

I'm from Fort Collins. Our city council is most inept group of morons every assembled in a public office. And yes, this really is going on in this town.

I'm a Christian as well and honestly, it's actually kind of cool to see things starting to happen to Christianity foretold so long ago. So I'm in the "relax, God is in control" camp with this.

That said -- it *is* hilarious. "They", to make an us/them divide, are moving from Christianity to Christianity-by-association, following reasoning (using the word very loosely here...) that flows from "Easter is Christian, Easter has Easter Bunny, therefore Easter Bunny = Christian symbol: banned as offensive!"

In the target down the line: dress code. Muslims can't wear a hijabh. Christians no cross (oops, already starting to happen). Sihks no kirpan. Hindu's no Kukum (that red dot).

Speaking for the USA-ers (I'm not one...), somehow I don't think this isn't what was meant with "ONE nation" :)

It's ridiculous that people view this sort of thing as the gov't taking religion away from the people, when really it's just the opposite. Anyone can have a Christmas tree in their house or wear a giant cross around their neck or whatever, even those who work for the government can do whatever the hell they want. The gov't buildings themselves are the only thing that isn't going to be following any one tradition this holiday season.
Christians like to make themselves out to be so oppressed and courageous for following their faith, and it's just ridiculous. Don't worry guys, you're still the vast majority in our country even without your red and green Christmas lights.

Maybe it's ridiculous to experience it this way because it's not about taking religion away from the people.

Western nations are, for the most part, historically Christian nations. This means that many of our historic and cultural symbols carry some religious meaning, real or implied.

To take the separation of Church and state to the level some propose means a cleansing of those historic and cultural symbols -- which in turn amounts to cleansing history itself.

I find sometimes people have a hard time looking upon this within this context simply because religion is involved.

Maybe it's easier to see when you apply this line of "non-offensive thinking" to the American flag. As the stars & stripes represent the vary states which are made up of territory which belonged to Native Americans first, isn't this flag incredibly painful and offensive to them? Shouldn't it be changed then? Or maybe made to include an additional symbol so Native Americans feel included too? Or...

You see where I'm going :-)