Atheist Sues To Prevent Son From Attending Catholic School Posted: 2 years ago by dollyllama
The parents involved in this case are divorced. David Ryan, the father, is an atheist. The mother is a Roman Catholic. Their son, who is in the eighth grade, attends a Catholic school in Oldham County.
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Posted: 2 years ago by tundramonkey:
Regardless of which school the 14-year-old boy attends, he is old enough to make up his mind about religion/indoctrination. Does it have to be such a big deal?
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Posted: 2 years ago by Hoosker:
I'm betting the dad doesn't like paying for private school.
Some simple questions I would ask were I judge;
•Was the Mother Catholic when they were married?
•What grades or how well is the son doing in school?
If the mother was Catholic and dad knew, and the son is doing well in school, I as the judge, would tell dad to shut his pie hole.
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Posted: 2 years ago by ReBoot:
« Hoosker : I'm betting the dad doesn't like paying for private school.
Some simple questions I would ask were I judge;
•Was the Mother Catholic when they were married?
•What grades or how well is the son doing in school?
If the mother was Catholic and dad knew, and the son is doing well in school, I as the judge, would tell dad to shut his pie hole. Agreed.
Parents decide what's best for their kids. In this case, it should be up to whomever has custody of the boy.
Incidentally, I don't think the nuns are going to hold a gun to his head and force him to be Catholic. If he doesn't want to be, he won't be. He'll have the whole rest of his life to backslide. In the meantime, private school probably is best.
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Posted: 2 years ago by pulsisx:
As far as I know the best way to keep someone from being a catholic is to send them through catholic school. At least thats what the survivors I know have told me.
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Posted: 2 years ago by sholom22:
« pulsisx : As far as I know the best way to keep someone from being a catholic is to send them through catholic school. At least thats what the survivors I know have told me. That is So true I was raised Catholic
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Posted: 2 years ago by larknet:
I was in Catholic School through the 5th grade, and it wasn't all that bad. After we moved to Texas it was public school. I remember Sister Constantine vividly. She was nice, but if you crossed her prepare to meet her wrath. She would throw stuff at you, chalk, erasers, shoes, whatever was in her hand. She was deadly accurate, too. She could hit a kid in the back row square in the chest. Once she threw an eraser at the kid in front of me, and he ducked! It hit me square in the chest! I was terrified. He got in worse trouble for ducking than he would have it he had taken it like a man.
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Posted: 2 years ago by yoornotme:
« larknet : Just more reasons to not send my kids to a Catholic school
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Posted: 2 years ago by muppet:
i went through the public school system until i was in the sixth grade. i went to catholic school from 7th grade until the end of high school. from my experience, a private school education was much better than public school. i got more individual attention because the student to teacher ratio was smaller, and the curriculum was much better. we studied religion, sure, and we learned prayers and went to mass. however, once we hit high school, mass was not mandatory anymore. we just had to take one religion course from what i can remember, and it was a world religion course. we even studied evolution. there are certain things they wouldn't let us study (they wouldn't let me write an ethics paper about abortion) but otherwise i feel like i had a well-rounded education.
my father is catholic and my mother is a baptist. i went into catholic school as a believer. came out as a non.
for me it is just the difference between private and public education, and i think the father is a douche for trying to deny his son of a good education. pretty effin' petty.
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Posted: 2 years ago by muppet:
« pulsisx : As far as I know the best way to keep someone from being a catholic is to send them through catholic school. At least thats what the survivors I know have told me. from my experience, that would be absolutely correct. in fact, it was pretty a pretty immediate change. they couldn't answer my questions which in turn led to more questioning which led to...logical reasoning.
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Posted: 2 years ago by twinmom94:
The mother was Catholic when they married. The child began school in a Catholic school and has attended for 9 years. The father is a newly-avowed atheist, as prior to this, he has participated in his son's first communion, for instance. He also celebrates Christmas. Divorce can be ugly. In this case, the father is using his so-called atheism to force a change for this child which the child does not want. What 14 year old would want to go to an entirely different school from the one to which all of his friends of the past nine years are attending. The last time I checked, atheism was not a synonym for selfishness, but in this case, the father is using it as a cudgel to get what he wants, regardless of the effect this publicity has on his child.
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Posted: 2 years ago by ieldanth:
Here's a case where the religious get to see the benefits of separation of church and state. The church can't dictate to the state, but the state cannot interfere with religious practice either, so long as you are not doing something that is against the law. This means the father cannot use the government to force the child into atheism.
Besides, as pointed out above, catholic schools tend to produce more atheists than anything, so he shouldn't be too concerned about it.
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Posted: 2 years ago by Hoosker:
Yoo need mor disipline!!!
edit; my new sig/bio
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Posted: 2 years ago by germz:
« tundramonkey : Regardless of which school the 14-year-old boy attends, he is old enough to make up his mind about religion/indoctrination. Does it have to be such a big deal?
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Posted: 2 years ago by DerAlt1:
Anyone read the article??
Quote from the Ky constitution:
"Kagin said part of Kentucky’s constitution reads, "Nor shall any man be compelled to send his child to any school to which he may be conscientiously opposed."
How much will the judge feel he can bend the law?
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Posted: 2 years ago by twinmom94:
What if the mother is conscientiously opposed to removing her child from the Catholic school environment? To those who do not think this is big, I would ask for whom? It's pretty big for the child, who only wants to go on to the high school he thought he was going to before Mr. Ryan decided to use atheism as a crowbar to force a solution that only he desires.
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Posted: 2 years ago by sofsr:
« twinmom94 : The mother was Catholic when they married. The child began school in a Catholic school and has attended for 9 years. The father is a newly-avowed atheist, as prior to this, he has participated in his son's first communion, for instance. He also celebrates Christmas. Divorce can be ugly. In this case, the father is using his so-called atheism to force a change for this child which the child does not want. What 14 year old would want to go to an entirely different school from the one to which all of his friends of the past nine years are attending. The last time I checked, atheism was not a synonym for selfishness, but in this case, the father is using it as a cudgel to get what he wants, regardless of the effect this publicity has on his child. I did.
Anyway, although I don't like catholic schools, if the kid is happy there, let him stay. This would be a whole different case if he hated it, but I see no mention of that. His father's just being an idiot, and not thinking rationally.
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Posted: 2 years ago by coyotemoon:
Agreed. Unfortunately (and someone correct me if I'm wrong here), I think the hands of the court are tied by how they feel the constitution directs. Not by the motivation of the vindictive ex, the mother's feelings or the child's wishes. Seems to me to be a case where, by initiating the lawsuit, the father took the reins out of everyone's hands. Both he and his lawyer should be drawn and quartered.
Oh, but that's an antiquated system of law that we abolished a long time ago. Maybe we'll start to reconsider our own when it starts to dawn on people that it can be similarly barbaric.
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Posted: 2 years ago by justme:
First of all lets put the horse in front of the cart
1. When did the man become an athiest?
2. Why did he become an atheist?
3. Who is the major financial contributer to the boys welfare?
4. If the father is a true atheist, how can he handle money which has in "GOD WE TRUST", and go to the court house in which that is inscribed?
5. Can he honestly bring home a paycheck and trust his employer?
And finally it's time he got a life
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Posted: 2 years ago by justme:
« coyotemoon : Agreed. Unfortunately (and someone correct me if I'm wrong here), I think the hands of the court are tied by how they feel the constitution directs. Not by the motivation of the vindictive ex, the mother's feelings or the child's wishes. Seems to me to be a case where, by initiating the lawsuit, the father took the reins out of everyone's hands. Both he and his lawyer should be drawn and quartered.
Oh, but that's an antiquated system of law that we abolished a long time ago. Maybe we'll start to reconsider our own when it starts to dawn on people that it can be similarly barbaric.
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Posted: 2 years ago by justme:
I whole hartedly agree
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