What?!! The Bible and Christianity behind hatred and bigoted views?!

I for one am shocked at this revelation.

I just learned that in my "tolerant country", a man was left to die by an ambulance employee, because he was suffering from a ruptured aorta in a "nichtenbende"...which means something like a "fags nest", and he refused to help (or even see what was going on)
That's exactly what he said out loud over the phone; twice!! (he was called to the scene a second time, but still refused to do his job)

The guy died two days later, and the ambulance employee was suspended for two months....suspended, that's rough!

So no, this does not surprise me one bit after learning how "tolerant countries" deal with gays.


I wish people would pop their heads out of their arses and act humanlike,
that would be great.
amen.

I understand your point and of course agree.

My comment is on the amazing fact of the guys survival for two days after his aorta ruptured.

Usually that's a pretty quick death. They might not be able to save you even if it ruptured in a hospital.

Oh dear, oh dear.

The ignorance and homophobia that some people justify with their religious books is incredible.
If the Bible says it's OK to hate gays, well then, I'm definitely getting a slave, since the bible OK's that as well. And I think I'll stone all adulterers, and cut off the hands of thieves, and so on, since the Bible OKs all that as well.

Religion, in my opinion, does good, but has a huge capacity to be twisted beyond recognition in the name of evil. Might be better off if we didn't have it, I feel.

That's very true.
This happened 2 years ago, and today the transcripts of the calls got into the news for the first time.

I hadn't heard this story before, and (having a gay brother myself) this got me pretty shaken.
Even with the help from the ambulance emloyee, it's hard to believe he would have survived this. The course of his actions however, does not sooth that fact.

I don't think a two month suspension from his job is enough to set things right.

Nor do I. I personally feel that he should be charged for murder - due to his (lack of) actions, somebody died. He's responsible, and prejudice is no excuse.
I'm pansexual. Does this mean I'm not deserving of the same treatment as others? I thought that was part of what the whole Charter of Rights and Freedoms/Constitution was about.

People like this worry me, and with good reason.

Agreed. He's in the wrong job for a homophobe.

Possibly the victim had a slight bleed that would also qualify as being called a rupture. If that's possible.

So, doggylives and gratheo, you find it perfectly acceptable that the Koran also condemns homosexuality? The quote referenced both the Bible and the Koran, but your posts only reference the Bible. By omission, it seems you are ok with Muslim bigotry but not Christian bigotry.

I quoted from the part of the article that mentions Muslim views and the Koran and the Bible and Christianity. I didn't mention either the Koran or Muslims directly in my comment about that quote from the article but I presume anyone reading my comment would have the sense to realize that my view about bigotry would extend to the other religions mentioned in the quote.

I also think racism is wrong and paedophilia and wife-beating and animal abuse are wrong but because I didn't mention them does it mean by omission I'm ok with those things too?!

I fear that a conversation on your alluded topic will only result in a terrorist attack on plime.

California should grant 'em all asylum. Huzzah.

"Stop using Jesus (or Muhammad, for that matter) as an excuse for being a narrow-minded, bigoted, a*****e."

Of course not. However, I assumed that the incident was referring to a Christian, rather than a Muslim, so I mentioned Christianity.

I could easily mention just as many things permitted in the Qu'ran that would be considered wrong nowadays.

Why did you assume that?

I dunno, I'm just a lot more used to Christians being homophobic and doing that kind of stuff than Muslims.

Those things would not be relevant to the quote and so their omission would be rather expected. Indeed, their mention would have been seen as a sort of segue.

In this instance, you seemed to single out Christianity in your post when both Christianity and Islam were mentioned, making Islam relevant to the topic as well while remaining curiously unmentioned in your reply. Not everyone equates all religions and thinks a reference to one equals a reference to all.

I am gay and live in Africa. Intolerance is just a way to deflect attention away from major issues like AIDS, poverty and corruption. Most African leaders will always blame minorities for social ills (mugabe etc.) so that they cannot be blamed for the state of things that was caused by their greed and megalomania. It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with the manipulation of the ignorant masses.

Dude, you've had your answer and now you are just nit-picking.

I didn't mention Muslims and the Koran in my comment becasue I didn't, plain and simple. Trying to pursue your line of reasoning and picking on small insignificant points as you are doing instead of focusing on the actual topic is tantamount to trolling.

If you'd like to discuss the actual article that's fine but if you just want to play games to try and look smart then I'm not really interested.

I had an answer from Gratheo, yes, and I respect his honesty.

You, however, have only dodged the question.

I do not find it insignificant that you selected one group to slam when two were available. You can't do that and not be called a bigot with any other pair of groups(excluding, of course, things like criminal categories), so why should this instance be different?

It also doesn't help your case that The Gambia is 90% Muslim.

Here's my previous comment for you to read again as I think you may have missed it.

There ya go. I answered your question here. How is it dodging the question when I answered it before gratheo did?

You are being ever so slightly obtuse and as I said you come across as merely trolling when you add comments like the one you did here. You don't seem interested in the topic at hand but instead seem interested in nit-picking and being a smart-ass. Unless you comment again with a valid/interesting point on the prejudice against homosexuals in Gambia, don't expect a response from me.

No trolling here, just a reminder that in the fight against bigotry, you can't display anything that appears like it or your message gets diluted. If you want to effectively fight against the bigotry in the world, you can't have someone able to say that you have your own prejudices. In your first post, you appear to be prejudiced against Christians, especially in light of the fact that Gambia is an overwhelmingly Muslim nation. That hurts your message and your cause.

Too many times, we only fight against bigotry when it affects groups we like. When will they come for you and will there be anyone left to speak out?