As a Christian you believe the bible is divinely inspired right? As a Christian that's all you have to base your beliefs in Jesus on.

The bible teaches that homosexuality is a sin that will result in hell if it is practised and the "sinner" doesn't repent, right?

How can you then try and disassociate yourself from that? If you choose to believe the bible that's great but you have to stand by your beliefs and not try and back away from certain parts of it .

I don't understand your point.

Are you saying that I'm saying Christians are immune to scrutiny? Absolutely not.

The problem is most people find one Christian and blame all the other Christians on it.

Because the Bible preaches love, not hate. Jesus' message was all about love, and we've drifted so far from that.

EDIT: To add, I freaking hate this argument.

ALL sinners are going to Hell if they don't repent, regardless of the sin. For some reason we seem to have this mentality in our head that people are characterized for one sin, such as murder, homosexuality, stealing, lying, adultery, etc.

We're not characterized by one sin, but by all of them. To make it seem as though Christians think that homosexuals are going to Hell because they are attracted to members of the same sex and that's the only reason why is beyond any teaching in the Bible.

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One of the protesters banners..



Here's a news report on the man's collapse.

Is it really so hard for you to believe that there's people out there that hate gay people based on their religious beliefs....

Yep, God loves everyone so much that if you don't agree to do what he says you'll burn in hell forever. Spread the love.

You and I both know that you're completely distorting the truth there.

I know there are those people. I am well aware of Phelps and his ilk. What I don't believe is this story about them yelling at a dying man.

ignore this double post mistake

even though these things aren't rare happenings, it still shocks me every time I see people treat each other so terribly

I get that you're not singling out homosexuals, you're just lumping something that I just could never see as a sin in with things like murder.

Don't you get it? Why should homosexuality be a sin?! Murder and the others I get but loving another human?!

How offensive and ridiculous would you find it if being a man was a sin in the bible?

"But I can't help what I am", you'd say and that's exactly why I find it ridiculous that you Christians can think it's fine to lump gay people in with murderers and thief's ect.

You say in this comment that all sinners are going to Hell then in the next comment tell me I'm distorting the truth when I said this...

Doesn't make sense to me.

No, I'm not putting any words into your mouth. I was simply adding another way to steer people away from Christianity.

LOL... thats rich comin from you man...

Yes kos is an extremely biased site.

Normally I would say that per Plime guidelines, a news article such as this should be linked to a news site. You can post a blog or similar site within the description, especially when that blog has a ongoing conversation going.

You can't do that here, because no legit news site is carrying as a story. The only source is the author of the article. I'm not saying that is bad, just explaining to others that in this case, it is reasonable to link to kos. This is more an opinion and debate starter than a news article which makes it fine for blog linking.

However you should change your false description. It was one single person who made the comment, not protestorS.

Since it was just one a*****e that changes things.

The actual protest by the bigots and hypocrites is the story and is more reflective of the BS that a small minority number of so-called "christians" put forth, than the utterings of one stupid individual.

I understand that, and I wasn't saying that they were the same, my point was to say that it bugs me that Christians and non-Christians alike do that.

I'm struggling with why Paul's letters would be considered canonized scripture, which is where the idea of NT homosexual sin comes from. So, I really don't know where I stand on the whole thing. I'll pm you, cuz I don't wanna start a whole long thing here.

It's a distortion of truth, because you don't have to do everything God says to go to Heaven. There's only ONE thing you need to do. Christianity isn't a list of rules, but too many people think it is.

I just wanna say now. I'm gonna be so pissed off if these comments degenerate into a cluster-f**k of unrelated comments or if the comments turn rude or offensive.
I'd like to suggest that unless you are going to be intelligent, add something worthwhile that you jog on to the next post.

Just sayin as I saw the recent evolution thread and that turned ridiculous, lets not have a repeat.

Ok guys here's the secret for Christians and non-Christians to get along. This from the perspective of someone who started out as a Bahai, became and ultra-conservative, and then settled into a sane person who also happens to be a Christian.

Here it is:

God has his own agenda. 90% of the time you guess what it is you'll guess wrong. So save your judgments for judging yourself and let God worry about everyone else. Just like God can condemn anyone for any reason he wants (see Job) he can exonerate anyone regardless of their sins. He's f**king God, okay? Dude does what he wants.

Which isn't a hell of a lot.

One of the main reasons for me not believing in God is that no one (and I was brought up in a strongly religious family) can give me a good answer as to why we see rape, famine, killings, wars, disease, millions dying and suffering, paedophiles and the rest of what we see daily.

If someone could give me a reasonable, believable answer to that then I might (not very likely considering my other reasons) reconsider my beliefs.

If God's so amazing and perfect why'd he f**k up with the human race and earth so badly?

If the "dude does what he wants" why the hell is he sitting on his ass doing f**k all about what he sees?

If I had a smidgen of his supposed power you can bet your ass I'd do something

There are a lot of great reasons for doubting God. A lot of logical reasons, the amount of evil in the world is not one of my reasons.

The answer is incredible simple:
Free Will.

That is it. With free will, you get the good and the bad. We are not a bunch of robots or pieces on a chess board for God to play with as he wishes.

Despite such bulls**t stories about God having a favored people or helping certain groups win wars and the like.

That is also why praying is such a bulls**t thing.

If praying worked, that would mean God was the evilest, most horrible thing in the multiverse.

If God can or will cure someone, get someone a job, or whatever but will only do so if enough people get on their knees and beg him to do so, to kiss his ass and praise him so that he actually does something than he's sick.

If God can't or just refuses to intervene, than praying is useless except how it can make people feel better which can be a benefit.

It's cuz God allows people to have a free will. He doesn't want to force people to love him or to do what's right, but he'd rather them do what's right and love him because they want to.

All that other stuff is a result of sin waaaaaaaaay back when.

He did make the world perfect. Blame Adam and Eve for everything else.

Have you seen Bruce Almighty? Where he turns into God, and to make it easy he says "yes" to everyone's prayer requests? And then the world turns to destruction? I think that's a fairly accurate picture of why he's God and we're not. :)

Well the typical God fearing answer is that God wants us to love him because we truly love him, not because he is this awesome deity that rules over us. Any outright displays of power or control over the earthly things would force us to see his awesome power and people would flock to him because of that rather than because they actually want to.

I think its because of a few things. #1 we have the freedom of choice that God won't/can't fiddle with (partly because of the above God fearing answer).

#2 is related to the Can't part of #1. I think Satan has a certain level of power over what goes on here on earth that God either relinquished or lost because of original/continual sin on earth.

Basically it comes down to God's MO. He is no longer the hands on God of the Old Testament. I mean obviously that didn't work because he was burning bushes, sending plagues and floods, blowing up entire cities, turning people into pillars of salt, etc, and still people gave God the FU. So if people can live in a time of all that God stuff and still won't believe I guess it makes sense for him to say "f**k it" and let us do our own thing.

I do still, however, think that he's rooting for us.