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 Lose your house, lose your vote
Lose your house, lose your vote
The GOP in Michigan wants to keep people with foreclosures from voting and might do so under a technicality. Ironically, most of these people are African American and live in a swing state. Interesting, no? picked by murfanda 1 year ago
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 JoshSF49
1 year ago
Well, if it is a technicality, and if it is the law, they should go ahead full steam.

That being said, I think it's ridiculous to assume that this is "racist" because they don't want "dem colored people votin' for another colored person for President."

No. It just so happens that the majority of these homes are owned by African Americans, and that this technicality was written into the law before Obama started running for President.

Not everything in this election has to do with race.
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 murfanda
1 year ago
« JoshSF49 : Well, if it is a technicality, and if it is the law, they should go ahead full steam.

That being said, I think it's ridiculous to assume that this is "racist" because they don't want "dem colored people votin' for another colored person for President."

No. It just so happens that the majority of these homes are owned by African Americans, and that this technicality was written into the law before Obama started running for President.

Not everything in this election has to do with race.
I wasn't implying that this was racist, per se... More so that they were trying to find a way to keep whomever would potentially vote for someone who wasn't a Republican from voting. It just happens to be that the majority are black. That's what it says in the article at least.

Also, I'm a Libertarian so I'm not trying to push any sort of left winged agenda here. Just to clarify.
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 JoshSF49
1 year ago
« murfanda : I wasn't implying that this was racist, per se... More so that they were trying to find a way to keep whomever would potentially vote for someone who wasn't a Republican from voting. It just happens to be that the majority are black. That's what it says in the article at least.

Also, I'm a Libertarian so I'm not trying to push any sort of left winged agenda here. Just to clarify.
Right, and I apologize if I made it seem like I was accusing you. I was talking about the article itself, which happens to imply that it is racially motivated.
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 murfanda
1 year ago
« JoshSF49 : Right, and I apologize if I made it seem like I was accusing you. I was talking about the article itself, which happens to imply that it is racially motivated.
No problem. I just posted it because like I said, I found it interesting. :D
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 shep182
1 year ago
« JoshSF49 : Well, if it is a technicality, and if it is the law, they should go ahead full steam.

That being said, I think it's ridiculous to assume that this is "racist" because they don't want "dem colored people votin' for another colored person for President."

No. It just so happens that the majority of these homes are owned by African Americans, and that this technicality was written into the law before Obama started running for President.

Not everything in this election has to do with race.
You really just said that? You honestly believe it is the right thing to do... strip people of their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS because they were foreclosed upon? But wait!... this is an elitist maneuver by the GOP taking advantage of a technical loophole... I'm sure they feel its the only way in hell they can possibly win so that makes it ok doesn't it? If this were a Democratic proposal, you would be ready to burn the town down...
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 DerAlt
1 year ago
This manuver is called CAGING and it's being used by the GOP in other states as well as Michigan.
Quoted from a Sasha email message:

"Today the mail brought a 2 page letter from John McCain, stating I was a
registered Republican and I needed to send them the affirmation that I was
indeed registered and living there ,( and also asking for money ).Curiously
the date on the letter was "monday morning".

The Dems here in Collier said many are reporting they got the same letter.
I asked a local postman how many he had given out today and he said over
100.

Then I noticed on the front....do not forward.

So I called the post office and asked, "what happens when a letter is sent
to me with a do not forward message on it, and I am up north for a few
months?"
He said it goes directly back to the shipper as "undeliverable." I had heard
reports of them doing this in certain neighborhoods and even with Iraqi
soldiers.


The RNC has sent out who knows how many tens of thousands of letters to
registered democrat Floridians, KNOWING they are up north---will get them
returned as undeliverable, and then?

Will they will go to the voter files and CLAIM THEY ARE INVALID VOTERS? I do
not know, but-- Why else would they waste so much money sending huge
mailings to registered democrats?

That is one way to win Florida.
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 arsphidi...
1 year ago
So if losing your house means you can't vote, then does that mean that someone with seven houses gets seven votes?
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 Alton
1 year ago
« arsphidius : So if losing your house means you can't vote, then does that mean that someone with seven houses gets seven votes?
Shhh, don't be giving the GOP any ideas!
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 Rambo202...
1 year ago
I cannot believe this...I live in Michigan and definitely will be writing somebody. Macomb County is right down the street...maybe i'll post flyers or something...b/c this is ridiculous.

*Furthermore all of these people are losing their homes, or have lost their homes under this Republican party...and now they lose their votes too?!?

And people know how screwed up everything is right now because I'm seeing all of these Obama signs in places and on lawns that have ALWAYS had republican signs. I stay in the hood in Detroit...but a few blocks away is this set of blocks...6blocks that make up a section called Indian Village. It looks like a different state. Very well kept, very rich. U know there are houses going up for auction in this neighborhood. I'm talking $300,000 homes going for $90,000. Some even less. they all have obama signs on their lawn, even before he announced his VP choice.

This government and people like this man in Macomb County really frustrate me sometimes. And so do people who are too blinded or sheltered to see the truth of what is REALLY going on.
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 smarty10...
1 year ago
« JoshSF49 : Well, if it is a technicality, and if it is the law, they should go ahead full steam.

That being said, I think it's ridiculous to assume that this is "racist" because they don't want "dem colored people votin' for another colored person for President."

No. It just so happens that the majority of these homes are owned by African Americans, and that this technicality was written into the law before Obama started running for President.

Not everything in this election has to do with race.
this is bulls**t.. f**k race f**k the election.. Everyone has a right to vote.. Y pull this now instead of months ago when people would have had time to prepare and actually go through the process of changing legal addresses? This may not come off as "racist" to you, but it is an attack against the democrats.

We even have elected officials here that get paid by the state and city that have houses under forclosure.. does that mean they have to leave the office too?

There is a forclosure crisis in Michigan and the stuck up GOP makes it worse by taking the vote away from the people that consider that one of the biggest issues in the campaign. Everyone knnows the republicans aren't gonna do s**t to help the situation, yes they would help people but not the ones that needed it. Which of Mccains 7 houses is he registered to vote in? does that mean he can vote in all 7 places since he has residence there? Seriously i'm sick of your bulls**t.. Your politcal views suck balls, but I guess ignorance is bliss.. I'm sure you or noone in your family has ever had to go through a forclosure or any type of discrimination for that matter
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 ImNotBlu...
1 year ago
Wow... who read the article? Come on, hands up?

Anybody?

“We will have a list of foreclosed homes and will make sure people aren’t voting from those addresses,” party chairman James Carabelli told Michigan Messenger in a telephone interview earlier this week. He said the local party wanted to make sure that proper electoral procedures were followed.

State election rules allow parties to assign “election challengers” to polls to monitor the election. In addition to observing the poll workers, these volunteers can challenge the eligibility of any voter provided they “have a good reason to believe” that the person is not eligible to vote. One allowable reason is that the person is not a “true resident of the city or township.

The Michigan Republicans’ planned use of foreclosure lists is apparently an attempt to challenge ineligible voters as not being “true residents.”
They're not trying to kick anyone out, or not count a vote... they're trying to prevent VOTER FRAUD! If you cannot prove your residence, you could be coming from anywhere.

"Hi, I'd like to vote please."
"Okay, and where do you live?"
"Well, my house was foreclosed, but I really do live in this state."
"Okay, go right ahead."

Fraud! If you cannot prove residence, you could theoretically be voting in two or more locations.
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 JoshSF49
1 year ago
« shep182 : You really just said that? You honestly believe it is the right thing to do... strip people of their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS because they were foreclosed upon? But wait!... this is an elitist maneuver by the GOP taking advantage of a technical loophole... I'm sure they feel its the only way in hell they can possibly win so that makes it ok doesn't it? If this were a Democratic proposal, you would be ready to burn the town down...
No, if it's the f**king law, it's the f**king law.

Criminals in many states lose their right to vote.

You DO NOT have an absolute right to vote, and anyone that knows anything about the Constitution will tell you that. You cannot discriminate to keep someone from voting, but you can lose your voting rights for a certain period of time
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 JoshSF49
1 year ago
« ImNotBlue : Wow... who read the article? Come on, hands up?

Anybody?


They're not trying to kick anyone out, or not count a vote... they're trying to prevent VOTER FRAUD! If you cannot prove your residence, you could be coming from anywhere.

"Hi, I'd like to vote please."
"Okay, and where do you live?"
"Well, my house was foreclosed, but I really do live in this state."
"Okay, go right ahead."

Fraud! If you cannot prove residence, you could theoretically be voting in two or more locations.
Thank you.
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 JoshSF49
1 year ago
« smarty1052 :Everyone knnows the republicans aren't gonna do s**t to help the situation, yes they would help people but not the ones that needed it.
You mean, there's not a single Republican in the entire country that wants to help? Those damn Republicans, only thinking about themselves, despite donating a better percentage of their income to charity than Democrats. Damn those Republicans. DAMN THEM!

These people got themselves into the mess they are in right now, because they chose to take a risking loan, or a house they could not afford in the first place. My aunt's house is being foreclosed. I feel sorry for her, yes, but the government shouldn't bail her out because she made poor financial choices.

We can't babysit everyone. Sometimes the best thing you can do for someone is let them actually learn from their mistakes.

Which of Mccains 7 houses is he registered to vote in? does that mean he can vote in all 7 places since he has residence there?
Obviously you don't know election law. He's registered to vote in Arizona, because that's where he's elected from.

Seriously i'm sick of your bulls**t.. Your politcal views suck balls, but I guess ignorance is bliss.. I'm sure you or noone in your family has ever had to go through a forclosure or any type of discrimination for that matter
Haha, how wrong you are. My political views are libertarian, which means I don't think the government should be involved in your f**king life.

Feel free to question me on discrimination. Go for it. I'll be happy to prove you wrong.
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 shep182
1 year ago
« ImNotBlue : Wow... who read the article? Come on, hands up?

Anybody?


They're not trying to kick anyone out, or not count a vote... they're trying to prevent VOTER FRAUD! If you cannot prove your residence, you could be coming from anywhere.

"Hi, I'd like to vote please."
"Okay, and where do you live?"
"Well, my house was foreclosed, but I really do live in this state."
"Okay, go right ahead."

Fraud! If you cannot prove residence, you could theoretically be voting in two or more locations.
Yeah i read the article...

you cannot honestly think that this isn't a blatent attempt to horn out votes, but then... now that I think about it... you probably DO believe the crap that constantly flows from your party......

And to use the list of foreclosure notices is the same underhanded tactics we have become acustom to from the Reight...

These people lost their homes due to unrestricted predatory lending and NOW they are being target by the GOP to ensure they cannot vote out the people who, whether thru apathy, inaction or at worst calculated undermining allowed this housing mess to get this bad in the first place...

If this were a TRUE issue of trying to out voter fraud, why mark the letters "do not forward"? Woulnd't you WANT these people to have the opportunity to get their registration corrected?

And as it has been spoken before, just because you have received a notice of forclosure, doesn't mean you dont live in the house anymore... it can take months to re-negotiate the mortgage or vacate the premesis. But under this doctrine, they plan to question the eligibility of anyone on the list... not just those who have vacated their homes...

This is completely underhanded bias tactics used by the GOP to try to win in a swing-state that has suffered immensely at the hands of the economy/housing crash.
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 JoshSF49
1 year ago
« DerAlt : This manuver is called CAGING and it's being used by the GOP in other states as well as Michigan.
It's not limited to the GOP, and it's not illegal.

Story
Failed to mention, however, that Republicans living up north also will not get their letters.

I don't see how it's discrimination...
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 smarty10...
1 year ago
“When you are comprehensively challenging people to vote,” Hebert went on, “your goals are two-fold: One is you are trying to knock people out from casting ballots; the other is to create a slowdown that will discourage others,” who see a long line and realize they can’t afford to stay and wait.

Challenging all voters registered to foreclosed homes could disrupt some polling places, especially in the Detroit metropolitan area. According to the real estate Web site RealtyTrac, one in every 176 households in Wayne County, metropolitan Detroit, received a foreclosure filing during the month of July. In Macomb County, the figure was one household in every 285, meaning that 1,834 homeowners received the bad news in just one month. The Macomb County foreclosure rate puts it in the top three percent of all U.S. counties in the number of distressed homeowners.

Wayne, Oakland, Macomb, Kent and Genessee counties were — in that order — the counties with the most homeowners facing foreclosure, according to RealtyTrac. As of July, there were more than 62,000 foreclosure filings in the entire state.
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 shep182
1 year ago
« JoshSF49 : No, if it's the f**king law, it's the f**king law.

Criminals in many states lose their right to vote.

You DO NOT have an absolute right to vote, and anyone that knows anything about the Constitution will tell you that. You cannot discriminate to keep someone from voting, but you can lose your voting rights for a certain period of time
Hrmm... so people who are forclosed upon are criminals now? Or should be treated as such...

And there is a HUGE difference between someone commiting a felony and havning their right to vote revoked and a political party using a technical loophole to cage out voters. OH... and BTW... Caging IS illegal... regardless of who is doing it...
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 lilyang
1 year ago
This is my problem with far right Austrian style thought. Taken to its logical conclusion, only people that own property are truly free. In fact, owning property is freedom. If you don't own any, you are free to try to acquire it. The end. I'm sure the Murray Rothbard's of the world would tell us that's just reality, but I have something they can kiss with their narrow version of freedom and their narrow version of reality. The general unease with which this story resonates puts the lie to such beliefs.
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 smarty10...
1 year ago
First Michigan Democratic voters show up to vote in the primary and Obama isn't even on the ballot.. along with other candidates.. then after the primary the GOP and everyone is like yea give them their vote back.. we're good people we want everyone to vote.. and now they come out and say yea.. 'excpet you all, you all are too poor to vote..'

question though because i don't know the answer.. are homeless war vets entitle a vote? we have a lot of them living on the streets here, just curious. If a kid Is registered in his parents house but the house is under forclosure does that mean the kids(over 18) can't vote either
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