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The Liberals do not even want Dion running the party, yet he may be poised to run the country? And we'll let the balance of power rest with the sovereignists? Why can't we have representation by proportion?? *sigh* This is just politics, it'll all work out.
I'm going to bet that parliament will be prorogued this week and the loss of confidence will be delayed until after Christmas. I don't want a coalition which dances around to appease Quebec running the country? How does this have the best interests of Canadians in mind??
Okay, okay, I'll write a letter, too.
« Moogle : And if any Albertans are planning on kicking Ontario in the shins, just remember that economically challenged Canadians usually move West. The Newfoundlanders all came to Ontario after the fisheries collapsed, and we Ontarians will be coming for those oil sands jobs soon enough.
I thought they all moved to Alberta. I've heard many a time that the capital of Newfoundland is Ft. McMurray!As a former Albertan, I don't think Albertans want to kick Onterrible (sorry, had to!) in the shins, they just don't want to see a repeat of Trudeau's NEP and the subsequent destruction of the province by the federal government. Since it has happened once already, everyone is extra anxious as to how this coalition will work because Albertans know that under Dion their livelihoods will crumble. There of course will be no "relief" for roughnecks or welders once the oil industry dries up, so I can easily sympathize with their frustration at seeing another industry, the one that uses the energy Albertans extract, being given a handout. Westerners are very distrustful of Ottawa, and I hope Dion understands the fragility of this relationship.
Albertans look out for Alberta. Kind of like how Quebecers look out for Quebec. If the two provinces could get over themselves, they'd find they have quite a bit in common.
As a bit of an aside, I remember encountering a few unemployed welders in London, ON a two years ago. I couldn't believe that they couldn't find work. I know I was a bit pompous when I handed one a map of Canada with Alberta circled, but it was worth the laugh we all got at the time. The point is, Alberta is still facing a huge labour shortage, and Ontarians or anyone with a pulse seeking work are still welcomed. The shortage might shrivel with the economy, though.
« srsmits :
And to finish off some quotes from despair demotivational posters
Government: If you think the problems we create are bad....just wait until you see our solutions
Corruption: I want either less corruption or more opportunity to participate in it.
and finally for everyone who is going to blast me on this post :P
Compromise: Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be.
I want to see these as actual posters. I'm laughing so hard!!]]>And to finish off some quotes from despair demotivational posters
Government: If you think the problems we create are bad....just wait until you see our solutions
Corruption: I want either less corruption or more opportunity to participate in it.
and finally for everyone who is going to blast me on this post :P
Compromise: Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be.
All this auto industry crap makes me sick, do I want them to fail? Of course not, do I want the government to support a sector that bleads money like a hemophiliac? Of course not. But I do know I dont want to pay more taxes to support some people who arent willing to comprimise, and a bunch of executives that make millions in bonuses because they can get their picture on one of those fail posters.
So next topic...the conservatives are not doing enough to help the economy and the liberals are going to spend their way into an even larger defecit quicker than you can blink an eye. Are there any mathmaticians that can figure this out? I mean how much is it worth spending? Lets look at it on an individual level, if you were losing money month after month and your job was paying less would your banker tell you to go out and give money to charity and buy stocks in failing companies? Probably not. But he may not be opposed to spending it on things that could help increase your income, like say taking a loan to go back to school and gain new skills, or move to an area with more jobs. I think this is the approach we need to take as opposed to the plans of just spending billions of dollars on anything that seems good at the time.
The further we go into debt the more interest we pay on that dept and the quicker it grows. We need to look into the future and build up a stable economy. Im sorry but supporting GM with billions of dollars isnt really going to do anythig but delay the inevitable. Why not invest in new technologies, new companies where the billions of dollars will go further than just the CEO pockets. You can provide just as many jobs and more oppertunity for the future. With every challenge comes great oppertunity.
And to finish off some quotes from despair demotivational posters
Government: If you think the problems we create are bad....just wait until you see our solutions
Corruption: I want either less corruption or more opportunity to participate in it.
and finally for everyone who is going to blast me on this post :P
Compromise: Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be.]]>
Why oh why can't we as Canadians be granted the same bipartisan ideas in our politics as Obama is set to bring to the White House?
Everyone knows that Ontario's auto industry is failing like a dumb kid in Honours Physics. However, what people seem to overlook by saying that we shouldn't be giving handouts is that Ontario is poised to become like Newfoundland when the fisheries collapsed.
The number of people on municipal welfare in the City of London went up by 12% in the last month. THAT'S ONE MONTH. I'm in an adult ed facility to earn my OSSD and I'm going to school with guys that have been laid off after working 20-25 years in a factory.
Is it right for the "government" to sit back and watch this all go down with no real plan of action? No. At least with Dion, Layton and Duceppe, Canadians will be represented by a majority, and not a small faction of oil execs from Alberta.
And if any Albertans are planning on kicking Ontario in the shins, just remember that economically challenged Canadians usually move West. The Newfoundlanders all came to Ontario after the fisheries collapsed, and we Ontarians will be coming for those oil sands jobs soon enough.]]>
The problem with first-past-the-post is that in regions with very localised votes, such as Alberta and Quebec, a party with a small majority can get almost all of the power. In Alberta, the Conservatives got 65% of the vote and 95% of the MPs. In Quebec, the Bloc Quebecois got 38% of the vote and 65% of the power.we need the single transferrable vote, I think that was a great idea]]>
The 3 parties that will form this coalition received 54% of the popular vote. The current ruling party received only 38% of the vote.Allowing something like this is certainly more democratic than our first-past-the-post system. Before you complain about this, bring in proportional representation.
Also, consider that by calling the election, Prime Minister Harper explicitly broke a law that his party set up. The set-election date law was violated by calling this election a year in advance.
First-past-the-post explanation: Under Canada's system, voters vote for an MP in their riding, with a total of 308 ridings nationwide. An MP gives the party a seat in the house of commons. Whichever party has the most MPs "Wins", their leader becoming Prime Minister.
The problem with first-past-the-post is that in regions with very localised votes, such as Alberta and Quebec, a party with a small majority can get almost all of the power. In Alberta, the Conservatives got 65% of the vote and 95% of the MPs. In Quebec, the Bloc Quebecois got 38% of the vote and 65% of the power.]]>
It's terrible. It's arrogant and completely biased. And the arguments about it helping the economy?? Every other country in the world is trying to keep the economy going and not have everything collapse, but Stephen Harper, decides it's more important to make sure the other parties no that he is in charge?
He has done wrong.I liked the fiscal plan. I also like how, thus far, there won't be a handout to any industry, etc. I have a hard time finding any budget to be arrogant - they're just numbers. Yes, it is a bit biased, but so is every budget by any government.
But as you said earlier, it's what you believe in.
I'd be supportive of this proposed coalition, as it does more accurately represent Canadians than the current government, if the balance of power did not rest in the Bloc's hands.
I'm worried about how this portion of Canada will react if the coalition is successful. I will divide the country, and I can't imagine any feelings of hostility and resentment would disappear within a decade.
Who knows, maybe the Alberta Separatists will get together and actually do something :P]]>
« dork :Either way whoever won, won.
Yes and no. They won, but if opposition can get along then they'll win and rule as a coalition... our Canadian politics are very different from yours.]]>Either way whoever won, won. The key of Democracy is a non-violent and smooth transition of power. We learned that from France's Reign of Terror.
There is no media coverage of Canadian elections where I live in Pennsylvania so as far as I know, the Liberal parties have no real evidence that the Conservatives have 'lost the confidence of the majority of the House of Commons.'
They seem to be pulling that claim out of thin air, and who says they should be the ones to take over even if the Conservatives lost "the Confidence"
On a side note: The article made me think of this
Belonging to the Conservatives isn't screwing up, that's just the party.....Do you know about the fiscal plan??
It's terrible. It's arrogant and completely biased. And the arguments about it helping the economy?? Every other country in the world is trying to keep the economy going and not have everything collapse, but Stephen Harper, decides it's more important to make sure the other parties no that he is in charge?
He has done wrong.]]>
I'd love nothing more than to see this right wing government bugger off. I can't stand Dion but I'm even less fond of Harper. Optimally, Layton should lead the country.
As for who won the election and democracy - if there is a coalition, then the coalition won the election. This is how democracy works. Being ruled by a minority government isn't awfully democratic.]]>
Either way whoever won, won. The key of Democracy is a non-violent and smooth transition of power. We learned that from France's Reign of Terror.
There is no media coverage of Canadian elections where I live in Pennsylvania so as far as I know, the Liberal parties have no real evidence that the Conservatives have 'lost the confidence of the majority of the House of Commons.'
They seem to be pulling that claim out of thin air, and who says they should be the ones to take over even if the Conservatives lost "the Confidence"
On a side note: The article made me think of this
well it's all about what you believe in I suppose.
I am, as I've said, a separatist, and an arts minded person, so for me Harper is pretty much the worst PM we could have. But at the same time things might be just as bad with someone else.That didn't answer my question. What did he (and the tories) do, specifically, to "screw up"?
Belonging to the Conservatives isn't screwing up, that's just the party.....]]>
I've been happy with this government so far.hmm...
well it's all about what you believe in I suppose.
I am, as I've said, a separatist, and an arts minded person, so for me Harper is pretty much the worst PM we could have. But at the same time things might be just as bad with someone else.]]>
:PI'd love nothing more than to set Quebec free. We could spend our tax dollars on much more wonderful things (maybe make tuition everywhere in Canada as cheap as it is in Quebec??), and we wouldn't have to listen to them whine.]]>
The Conservatives screwed up. Big time. The other parties aren't just trying to seize control for no reason.
I would rather have Stephane Dion in power as interim PM until the Spring than have an arrogant right wing politician for 4 more years...
Harper needs to step down.
In my opinion.
Of course, I am a separatist, and a British-Columbian, but still!!What did Harper do to screw up so bad?
I've been happy with this government so far.]]>
Harper needs to step down.
In my opinion.
I think that's the issue here. He messed up before and needs to give it up. The fact that this isn't a democratic election is just a sidenote, but unfortunately that's what most people are whining about. Not to downplay the passion of anyone interested, but there's no sense in empty letter-writing.]]>
Which is why I'm urging every Canadian who is not comfortable with the balance of power in parliament, and thus our nation's fate, in the hands of the separatist Bloc Quebecois *curses loudly (for real)* to write to Mme. Jean and express these opinions!Vive le Québec Libre!!
:P]]>
I would rather have Stephane Dion in power as interim PM until the Spring than have an arrogant right wing politician for 4 more years...
Harper needs to step down.
In my opinion.
Of course, I am a separatist, and a British-Columbian, but still!!]]>
Which is why I'm urging every Canadian who is not comfortable with the balance of power in parliament, and thus our nation's fate, in the hands of the separatist Bloc Quebecois *curses loudly (for real)* to write to Mme. Jean and express these opinions!]]>
What is happening here(as I understand it, correct me if I'm wrong please) is that the liberals, ndp, and the bloc are forming a coalition, combining there seats and stealing the conservatives minority government away. They will not have an easy time getting away with this, they need a way better reason and I think there are many canadians that would be opposed to including the bloc in there (*curses loudly*).]]>
That's what I'd doing right now. I did a lot of parliament stuff when I was a bit younger. It is generally agreed that one letter represents roughly one thousand voices. Do it!!]]>
I am totally opposed to this too, maybe we could ride to ottawa together?]]>
This is not how we voted. If this works out, if M. Dion is our new prime minister, there will be epic tensions between the West and the Rest. No representation for us! I don't want to see my hard-earned tax dollars going to bail out ailing industries!! Annihilation of our industries, of course without any promise of aid. Of course. I think I'm going to have to write a letter to... the GG??? or someone to voice my opinion on this.
I'm so passionate about this that going to Ottawa to give the coalition my piece of mind doesn't seem like a bad idea. Gah!! What are they thinking!! Mme Jean, PLEASE let the government be suspended and the budget revised, or else another election held. I DO NOT want to be led by the LOSER of the last election!!!]]>