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 9 Muslim passengers kicked off U.S. flight over remark
9 Muslim passengers kicked off U.S. flight over remark
"The FBI agents actually cleared our names," Inayet Sahin, one of the family members kicked off the flight, told CNN. "They went on our behalf and spoke to the airlines and said, 'There is no suspicious activity here. They are clear. Please let them get on a flight so they can go on their vacation,' and they still refused." picked by muppet 3 years ago
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 gammerus
3 years ago
Sucks to be Muslim right now.
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 tragluk
3 years ago
Anyone who makes suspicious remarks about airline security which has the effect of making a pilot uncomfortable will be removed from a plane.

Heck, the pilot can remove anyone, anytime just because they don't like them personally. It's one of the rules of the sky. The captain has hte final say.

What really sucks is the airline will be sued because they took steps to protect their passengers and crew.

Sucks to be non-muslim in a muslim-fearing world.
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 gammerus
3 years ago
« tragluk:Anyone who makes suspicious remarks about airline security which has the effect of making a pilot uncomfortable will be removed from a plane.

Heck, the pilot can remove anyone, anytime just because they don't like them personally. It's one of the rules of the sky. The captain has hte final say.

What really sucks is the airline will be sued because they took steps to protect their passengers and crew.

Sucks to be non-muslim in a muslim-fearing world.
Yeah, rescreening them is one thing, even if it seems a bit much since many people talk about airport security while at an airport and many more are still afraid of planes and would want a "safe" seat (something a bomber is unlikely to be concerned about)

Aside from all of that nonsense, this was the real issue.
The family was upset that AirTran didn't allow the Muslim passengers to book another flight.
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 T1000
3 years ago
"One of the passengers removed, Abdur Razack Aziz, said he will consider a lawsuit"

That's only going to make things worse...
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 bcgrote
3 years ago
"people got on and made comments they shouldn't have made on the airplane"

But officer, I was only greeting my friend John by his nickname!

Seriously, this guy only commented that he was near the engines, and he and his traveling companion discussed the safest places to sit on an airplane. This was NOT a dangerous or frightening comment.

Ignorant people saw brown skin and different dress, and freaked out inappropriately. The airline acted as appropriately as they could in the circumstances.

It's the people who overheard them and freaked out deserve to be taken away and taught that not all brown skinned people are bad guys! I just pray I never have to fly with idiots of that ilk!

I hope that whoever had made the initial complaint gets sued by this family, their fellow flyers, AND the airline! They overreacted. Perhaps their name should now be placed on the no-fly list!

If the people are cleared by security, they are cleared! Deal with it!

It mostly sucks to be calm, normal and friendly in a stupid world!
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 Moe
3 years ago
« tragluk : Anyone who makes suspicious remarks about airline security which has the effect of making a pilot uncomfortable will be removed from a plane.

Heck, the pilot can remove anyone, anytime just because they don't like them personally. It's one of the rules of the sky. The captain has hte final say.

What really sucks is the airline will be sued because they took steps to protect their passengers and crew.

Sucks to be non-muslim in a muslim-fearing world.
There is one problem with this: The FBI cleared these people after an investigation and asked the airline to put them back on the plane. The airline continued to refuse.

I would sue as well if it were me. The Number One Law Enforcement Agency in the nation clears me and they STILL won't let me on? That is obvious discrimination.
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 maven
3 years ago
Agreed. The airline was doing the right thing, right up until they refused to let them re-book.
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 larknet
3 years ago
Okay, as one who used to work as a screener for the FBI, I speak with some authority. The FBI doesn't tell anyone to put someone on a plane, they don't vouch for people. They only compare information from the database to the people actually there at the point of entry/departure. The decision is still the pilots/airlines to allow someone to fly or not. If they had let the family fly, the story would have been more like ... well, there wouldn't have been a story. There is probably more to this story than meets the eye.
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 Moe
3 years ago
Taken from the article:

"The FBI agents actually cleared our names," Inayet Sahin, one of the family members kicked off the flight, told CNN. "They went on our behalf and spoke to the airlines and said, 'There is no suspicious activity here. They are clear. Please let them get on a flight so they can go on their vacation,' and they still refused."
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 muppetma...
3 years ago
I do not support the actions of AirTran after the FBI cleared them, but what I do support is how the air line acted.

As much as I hate to say it, when you are getting on a plane, and are of Indian, Arab, Middle Eastern decent, and you start talking about the plane, safety, where you are sittng, the jets, you are going to draw attention. It is just not a good idea.

It would be like a white guy walking into Queens and begin rambling about Lynching. Even if he isnt suggesting someone be lynched, or saying that lynching was right, he is going to draw negative attention to himself.

Just not a good idea. Frankly its just not a good idea to talk about any type of safe place to sit, plane parts, airport safety, any of that while you are on a plane. Just not a good idea.
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 maven
3 years ago
If you'd not specified that it was a bad idea for some one of Middle Eastern descent, and stuck with it being a bad idea for ANYONE, I'd agree.

To suggest the color of skin, or a name, is adequate to say "No, you don't get to talk about 'that' topic" is racist.
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 larknet
3 years ago
« Moe : Taken from the article:

"The FBI agents actually cleared our names," Inayet Sahin, one of the family members kicked off the flight, told CNN. "They went on our behalf and spoke to the airlines and said, 'There is no suspicious activity here. They are clear. Please let them get on a flight so they can go on their vacation,' and they still refused."
That quote is what the family said. You don't have to validate a statement from the family. I was just stating that in my experience with the FBI, they don't vouch for people, regardless of what anyone says.
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 chinook
3 years ago
« muppetmaker : I do not support the actions of AirTran after the FBI cleared them, but what I do support is how the air line acted.

As much as I hate to say it, when you are getting on a plane, and are of Indian, Arab, Middle Eastern decent, and you start talking about the plane, safety, where you are sittng, the jets, you are going to draw attention. It is just not a good idea.

It would be like a white guy walking into Queens and begin rambling about Lynching. Even if he isnt suggesting someone be lynched, or saying that lynching was right, he is going to draw negative attention to himself.

Just not a good idea. Frankly its just not a good idea to talk about any type of safe place to sit, plane parts, airport safety, any of that while you are on a plane. Just not a good idea.
MM, that is racist, and it seems like you're giving the A-OK to anyone who is so ignorant they'll judge someone on their skin colour.

Yeah, it's good for everyone to be aware of situation, but I think it's downright stupid to excuse people for being so ignorant as to assume all non-whites are "bad" in the name of safety.
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 drogue
3 years ago
« muppetmaker:As much as I hate to say it, when you are getting on a plane, and are of Indian, Arab, Middle Eastern decent, and you start talking about the plane, safety, where you are sittng, the jets, you are going to draw attention. It is just not a good idea....

...Just not a good idea. Frankly its just not a good idea to talk about any type of safe place to sit, plane parts, airport safety, any of that while you are on a plane. Just not a good idea.
That sounds a lot like "Why not consent to a search if you have nothing to hide;" a reasoning that runs against the grain of the Bill of Rights. In this case we have speech issues rather than search and seizure, and granted, our world has been a lot touchier around airports, but speaking to your travel partner about the safest spots on a plane isn't exactly yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater. Let's not pretend the color of their skin, their clothing, and possibly a somewhat "foreign" accent learned in the home had nothing to do with the decision.

You're basically saying that if you appear to be one of the "mud people," tread carefully in America, and that's just not how we wrote the Civil Rights Amendment.

Let's not forget that we're talking about 2 natural-born US citizens here. If it were two white teenagers wearing football jerseys, saying the same things, there would likely never have been an incident, and that is a problem we need to correct.

I agree that the flight's Captain has the right to turn out passengers that have upset the others, but from what the article presents, the airline should have secured them passage on another one, perhaps on another carrier.

Beware the racial limitations you might impose on others. Before your life ends they may be used against you, when yours become the "dangerous minority."
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 Jetka
3 years ago
« muppetmaker :

Just not a good idea. Frankly its just not a good idea to talk about any type of safe place to sit, plane parts, airport safety, any of that while you are on a plane. Just not a good idea.
I just agree with that part. If you concluded with people in general.
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 blindwor...
3 years ago
Nevermind the lawsuit,

the proper response in this case is simple:

Muslims should not book flights with AirTran Airways. That means a loss of 1.5 BILLION potential customers.
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 drogue
3 years ago
« chinook:MM, that is racist, and it seems like you're giving the A-OK to anyone who is so ignorant they'll judge someone on their skin colour.

Yeah, it's good for everyone to be aware of situation, but I think it's downright stupid to excuse people for being so ignorant as to assume all non-whites are "bad" in the name of safety.
I completely agree. This whole "Ahhh! I heard a brown man say things about an engine and safety, so I want them removed from my flight experience" is just pathetic. There are brown people talking about engines and safety right now amongst our troops and saving lives abroad, and there were likely brown people who helped design, and assemble those engines, and safety measures, right here in the former-brown US of A.

Amazing how some Europeans will heed the advice of an Indian doctor about their cholesterol count, and never bring up their religious belief, but freak out at the sight of a niqāb or dastar at the airport.
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 hoosker
3 years ago
You pc nuts astound me.

Millions of "Brown Skin" (as they have been coined in this thread) people get on the planes every single day without a hitch. But a group of 9 that make questionable remarks gets kicked off and all "Non-Brown skins" are a bunch of racists.

To ignore the comments would have been criminal.

I've flown since the 60's and, yes, there was a high rate of terrorism in the late 60's early 70's. I knew at 7 years old what you can and cannot say at an airport, but now, simply because they have brown skin, they should get a pass. Anyone here should try and make these comments and see what happens to them at the airport...guaranteed no plime story without the "Brown skin". If they sue, they should get the costs of their flight and an extra $500.00 for dinner.

And secondly, you folks that dv'd MM should be ashamed of yourselves. He was just stating his opinion, and you have really no way of knowing his heritage when you pull the "Race" card.
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 tragluk
3 years ago
« Moe : Taken from the article:

"The FBI agents actually cleared our names," Inayet Sahin, one of the family members kicked off the flight, told CNN. "They went on our behalf and spoke to the airlines and said, 'There is no suspicious activity here. They are clear. Please let them get on a flight so they can go on their vacation,' and they still refused."
Also taken from the article:

"Hutcheson said AirTran had initially refused to rebook the family because the airline had not been notified the investigation was complete.

The passengers are now welcome to fly on AirTran since being cleared by authorities, he said."

The guy who is going to sue claims the FBI spoke on their behalf and cleared them. The airline claims that they were under the impression that the investigation was ongoing.

According to Larknet:

Okay, as one who used to work as a screener for the FBI, I speak with some authority. The FBI doesn't tell anyone to put someone on a plane, they don't vouch for people.
Which I believe. I don't see the FBI going up to an airline and vouching for anyone. They might 'clear' them and release them, but they're not going to put themselves on the line and back someone who they don't have enough intelligence on to confirm or deny that they are dangerous.

And if the customer was being irate and had to be taken away from the ticketing counter, I doubt they were behaving like a model citizen.

It's turned into a He said/She said war. Nobody quite knows what is going on except...

...


A group of passengers were making other passengers uncomfortable with the way they were discussing security.

The captain hears about it, orders everyone off the plane and the 'ones who were talking about security' to be rescreened.

Rescreening happened. The FBI may or may not have given the airline the 'OK' for the people to fly. Or they may have spoke to one person, but the other people may not have heard about it.

The people booked a flight on a different airline and now the original airline has apologized and offered to reimburse the people involved.

One of the people involved is now thinking about suing. God bless America.
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 drogue
3 years ago
« hoosker:You pc nuts astound me.

Millions of "Brown Skin" (as they have been coined in this thread) people get on the planes every single day without a hitch. But a group of 9 that make questionable remarks gets kicked off and all "Non-Brown skins" are a bunch of racists.

To ignore the comments would have been criminal.

I've flown since the 60's and, yes, there was a high rate of terrorism in the late 60's early 70's. I knew at 7 years old what you can and cannot say at an airport, but now, simply because they have brown skin, they should get a pass. Anyone here should try and make these comments and see what happens to them at the airport...guaranteed no plime story without the "Brown skin". If they sue, they should get the costs of their flight and an extra $500.00 for dinner.

And secondly, you folks that dv'd MM should be ashamed of yourselves. He was just stating his opinion, and you have really no way of knowing his heritage when you pull the "Race" card.
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