Here's something for people to giggle at..since I like throwing humor in.

Say man was created in gods image.. man says man evolved from same line as apes...

Soo, maybe god looks like an Ape and just got tired of looking at all of our hairy arses so had us to evolve?

*giggle*

Read the Declaration of Independance...and the Constitution some time... A lot of that is based on "personal beliefs".

Since I was challenged for Theological reasons...that I can do.

Theologically man has had a belief in God or gods as far back as we can study in history. Every belief system allowed for God to create the earth (admittedly some may seem a little strange to modern thinkers such as the Hindu belief in Prajapati's sacrifice).
When I have talked to some people as to why they believe in God, some have given personal reasons and others have given reasons based on what could be called more scientific research. I remember one man who is an engineer, and does Taxidermy as a hobby, who said that it was the "spring back" mechanism on a blue crane that convinced him that this bird was engineered not here by chance. Who am I to argue with an engineer about engineering.
Many atheists that I have talked to (evolution is held on to mostly by atheists) ask how God can be good when all kinds of bad things are going on. This tells me that they are what I call "Christianized Atheists". Christianity is the only belief system that believes that God is good and stops the bad from happening. And that is only surface Christianity. If you delve deep into the belief system of Christians you will find that Christians actually believe that bad things will happen, not in spite of their belief but because of it.
Most athiests I have talked to sit in comfortable homes with 2 cars and talk about bad things happening. I have talked with Christians and Muslims alike while sitting in mud huts, or houses made of corrugated tin, no cars...food is a luxury. And yet they believe in God. Why, is it because they are "unenlightened" or is it because they can become enlightened when not surrounded by luxury.
You want proof that there is a God? Often it is God himself that gives the proof. But what if there is a God? What if the creation story is true? If the creation story of Genesis is true, that means that we are all sinners and rely on God to save us from death. Not a physical one but a spiritual one...whatever that looks like. If the Hindu gods are real, then we need to work to find enlightenment and to please the gods. It means that we need to become responsible for our actions, and be careful with what we do. If you are not ready for that, then you will not believe in a God. However just because you don't believe, does not make Him cease to exist. I could say "I don't believe in Darwin"...that doesn't stop the fact the he existed and wrote books and gave lectures...and on and on...
Personally I believe in Yahweh and His son Jesus (which instantly means I loose credibility...'cause when atheists hear Christians they cover their ears and say "la la la I can't hear you") and when I hear the words "there is no God". Mainly because I've read the words of Solomon..."A fool says there is no God". So that is the theological thinking. From someone who is not an American Christian (I'm not American, although I've lived there many years) and from someone who does not live in the "bubble" known as Church (most of my neighbors and friends are Muslim).

Well the one thing that God Himself wrote on tablets of stone state that "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth and all that is in them". Kinda debunks evolution, from God's mouth. As for the "text" that was "written by man" and some junk about the telephone game. Look again. The Bible has less changes in it from text to text (according to the evidence found in the Dead Sea Scrolls and others) than William Shakespeare's plays. And his were written in English...a mere 200 years ago.

Yes, the Dead Sea Scrolls confirm certain content but do no evidence the point you claim. Furthermore, you are assuming that the bible was intended to be interpreted literally. God did not write any tablets. It's book of fables and allegories intended to illustrate ideas and lessons. There are a lot of very important lessons to be learned from Mother Goose. If you live your life by the lessons in there then you will probably live a good life. Not such a good ideas to live by a literal interpretation. I could go on and on forever but we'll get nowhere. Either we can agree to disagree, or just disagree.

That is the most logical argument on this page. And by logical I meant funny :)

To be fair, we also used to believe that leeches would "naturally" devour the "bad humours" from the bodies of humans, "whan that they were seke."*





*Chaucer.

I agree...we could agree to disagree...except for one small problem. If I'm right, then you could be in trouble you see. If I'm wrong...oh well we all die. Hmmm...

As far as anything else, who is to say the science books are to be taken literally, maybe they are just fairy tales that are just convincing enough to fool most people. Hmm. No your right I shouldn't just believe what I read. I guess I'll have to go with my gut on this one.

Most of the arguments I see here are tired old creationist canards that provide no positive evidence but do show a shallow understanding of descent with modification much less basic science. Paley's watchmaker, the supposed lack of transitional fossils (there are plenty....you do the research*), a supposed lack of inter-subjective testing.



If you really want to understand science though, talk to a scientist and not some guy in a pulpit or joe on the street. And just because someone took a PhD in some field doesn't mean they are qualified to speak to all intellectual endeavors. A PhD in economics or statistics (a la The Discovery Inst.) does not make one an authority in evolutionary biology.



A question; Why do people who are so adamant that evolution is wrong never have criticisms for physics, chemistry, geology or even anthropology? Why do some people accept scientific explanations for most natural phenomena, yet when it comes to evolution they seem to suddenly think science and scientist are evil if not ignorant bumbling dogmatist spouting so much mumbo jumbo as they galumph around in a fog of malicious delusion?





*A nice partial list of transitional fossils (that supposedly do not exist);

Well, no one can argue with the facts.

You're making a very arrogant false dichotomy here.

You're supposing that it's your way or no way.

If you're wrong and the Muslims are right then you're in deep s**t when you die. Do you suppose Allah's going to take kindly to your ignoring his existence and worshipping the wrong god?

You're putting yourself in a very smug position, "If I'm wrong and I die I'm just dead, if you're wrong you go to hell".

It exposes and demonstrates your arrogance.


There's so much wrong with this comment I don't know where to begin.