Plime/1This aint right... : ATOM 0.3This aint right... : ATOM 0.3www.plime.complime@plime.com2008, www.plime.com.2008-10-11T16:45:20+01:00<![CDATA[Milkshake @ 10/15/2006 8:43:00 PM]]>4912But a good discussion none the less.]]>2006-10-15T20:43:00+01:002006-10-15T20:43:00+01:00But a good discussion none the less.]]><![CDATA[jaxomlotus @ 10/15/2006 8:24:22 PM]]>4908
Incidentally, voting will become anonymous shortly.

I do want...]]>2006-10-15T20:24:22+01:002006-10-15T20:24:22+01:00
Incidentally, voting will become anonymous shortly.

I do want to reiterate that this site is largely an experiment into community collaboration. It's your task, at this stage of the game to decide what is and isn't acceptable here. Part of the process will involve having access to something that might offend you, because without the offensive things we won't know what offends us as a community.]]><![CDATA[Milkshake @ 10/15/2006 3:41:30 PM]]>4899
The word in question was used in a certain way. A user name isnt in context. Its context comes from the person reading it when it pops in front of their face - without choice. S...]]>2006-10-15T15:41:30+01:002006-10-15T15:41:30+01:00
The word in question was used in a certain way. A user name isnt in context. Its context comes from the person reading it when it pops in front of their face - without choice. So an article about words used in context is irrelevent here.

Now id rather leave this post alone now, ive said enough and the weight is against me. Fair enough.
What isnt fair is to make a point like has been made against me in this thread and then not make a statement of it somewhere.
It seems the verdict is unanimous. So tell people officially if thats the case. Otherwise it will happen over and over and if it hasnt been stated somewhere then there really isnt much anyone can do about it.

Edit -
Human nature 101.
A low rating does not stop a person posting doing much at all. We can only edit after the damge is done.

How about this.
A word filter on usernames and all in-site text. Problem solved.

Edit -
Sorry im wrong, not all in site text, but deffo usernames.]]><![CDATA[Hoosker @ 10/15/2006 3:19:58 PM]]>4895Milkshake : This is niglin me now.

If we are going to start saying you can or cant do this or that then this site needs a definite admin system in place.
Milkshake : This is niglin me now.

If we are going to start saying you can or cant do this or that then this site needs a definite admin system in place.
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My vote is to maintain a more relaxed participation in plime©, we haven't, and plime© hasn't been around long enough to make hard-line rules. As far as I'm aware galoot is the only member to have a 20+ rating, and as he has stated in another thread, that rating isn't permanently written in stone. So let's all sit back, enjoy the ride and see what happens. I like the idea of a self governing site, I think it can work, while I will admit that the Internet has a dark side and it is likely that seep in, I don't believe this to be a serious problem that won't fix itself.
As far as your offensive word question, a couple points.
1. I believe you have the right to be offended by the word "Bastard" although I'm not.
2. If a majority of people are offended, then weather it's fair or not, The users name will adversely affect the users ratings. Human nature 101
3.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastard

is an example of the word and uses, once again not saying it should not offend you, just showing the possibilities of seeing the word used in actual articles submitted.
Lastly I do think that there are certain words that should never be used in a user name, I'm just honestly not sure of how slippery that slope could become.
My $12.02 worth.]]><![CDATA[Milkshake @ 10/14/2006 11:17:28 PM]]>4882
If we are going to start saying you can or cant do this or that then this site needs a definite admin system in place. Something you can point to and say "Those are the admins names and those are the rules they look afte...]]>2006-10-14T23:17:28+01:002006-10-14T23:17:28+01:00
If we are going to start saying you can or cant do this or that then this site needs a definite admin system in place. Something you can point to and say "Those are the admins names and those are the rules they look after."
Otherwise this thread (and similar issues) will be repeated over and over by new users and they can't be blamed if it doesnt state anywhere that they are doing anything wrong.

Also, I know this site doesnt say anywhere that it is designed for 5 year olds but it also doesnt say anything to the contrary. In my experience, if there are no warnings then that in itself is a statement that the site is safe for everyone.

Change of subject.
About what Bornbad has just mentioned. It is a very good point about not just copying and pasting every story you see on one site. If I thought that was ok, id just throw 100 posts a day here straight from google news.
I think a bit of thought behind the posts should be encouraged.]]><![CDATA[Bornbad @ 10/14/2006 9:09:01 PM]]>48662006-10-14T21:09:01+01:002006-10-14T21:09:01+01:00<![CDATA[Milkshake @ 10/14/2006 8:16:39 PM]]>4860MonkMojo : Good discussion.

I think Milkshake should change his name based on some definitions here: (nsfw)


Well thats just effin great innit!! :D

Milkshake it is. And Milkshake it stays.
Comes from boxing when I was young. Always had a milkshake. It kinda stuck from there.

But hey, if anyone ever wants to put me down, theres yer link. ;)]]><![CDATA[Milkshake @ 10/14/2006 7:24:38 PM]]>4852Fair shout.
Will change theory on internet etiquette regarding topics of this nature as of this moment forthwith.

Thats a gesture of goodwill. Nothing else ;)]]>2006-10-14T19:24:38+01:002006-10-14T19:24:38+01:00Fair shout.
Will change theory on internet etiquette regarding topics of this nature as of this moment forthwith.

Thats a gesture of goodwill. Nothing else ;)]]><![CDATA[tomphoolry @ 10/14/2006 6:58:37 PM]]>4851Milkshake : Tom I understand what you are saying.

But nobody chooses a name like that without knowing it is offensive so the intention was to be offensive.

I fail to see why I should feel/show any co...]]>2006-10-14T18:58:37+01:002006-10-14T18:58:37+01:00Milkshake : Tom I understand what you are saying.

But nobody chooses a name like that without knowing it is offensive so the intention was to be offensive.

I fail to see why I should feel/show any consideration at all.

Thats just me.

One last thing.
This is a news & interesting article site. We are ALL commenting on people and situations all day every day in a public manner.
How can we act like it is ok to comment on people and then say dont comment on people?
Members or not.
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Don't disagree with you. But do we want this to be a place of considerate discussion? While in this specific situation, it might not be a big deal to cite the User Name that bothered you, maybe the next discussion pushes the envelope a little further and feelings get hurt? This thread and the reparations thread are perfect examples of how to present different viewpoints in a calm, constructive manner. But I've seen other sites where there is lawlessness because rude or obnoxious behaviour, statements and namecalling were allowed to go unchecked. One tiny thing can quickly snowball. This is a place open to anyone with access to the net. All races, creeds, colors, politics, preferences, etc, etc, etc, ad infinitum. While many will be offended by this particular user name, some will wonder "What's the big deal? That's not offensive." I think potentially inflammatory situations should be kept under controll by keeping names out of the public (if you're trying to report something that you think is wrong). If you want to praise, name away. If you want to blame, report it privately and let the authorities handle it. (I just reread this and it sounds like I'm trying to dictate what should be done on this site. I'm not. This is just my opinion and I'm just a user like anyone else.)

I say if something bothers a member, definately call it to someones attention. I'm definately not advocating just letting it go. I'm just asking that caution be exercised as to whether you call it out privately to powers to be or to open it to discussion in public.]]><![CDATA[Galoot @ 10/14/2006 6:55:14 PM]]>4850
Also, by singling out this user and linking to his profile, you've just made it ...]]>2006-10-14T18:55:14+01:002006-10-14T18:55:14+01:00
Also, by singling out this user and linking to his profile, you've just made it more likely that a "bad word" will pop up on our screens. A PM to the boss would have avoided that.

Debate is welcome here, but I don't think witch hunts are, and singling people out can easily lead to that. PM jax.

As far as I'm aware, nobody but jax himself can change a user's name or other details. I certainly can't, and I hope that's not a "feature" that will be given out lightly to anyone.]]><![CDATA[MonkMojo @ 10/14/2006 5:54:08 PM]]>4843
I think Milkshake should change his name based on some definitions here: (nsfw)
2006-10-14T17:54:08+01:002006-10-14T17:54:08+01:00
I think Milkshake should change his name based on some definitions here: (nsfw)
]]><![CDATA[Milkshake @ 10/14/2006 3:09:23 PM]]>4821
But nobody chooses a name like that without knowing it is offensive so the intention was to be offensive.

I fail to see why I should feel/show any consideration at all.

Thats just me.

One l...]]>2006-10-14T15:09:23+01:002006-10-14T15:09:23+01:00
But nobody chooses a name like that without knowing it is offensive so the intention was to be offensive.

I fail to see why I should feel/show any consideration at all.

Thats just me.

One last thing.
This is a news & interesting article site. We are ALL commenting on people and situations all day every day in a public manner.
How can we act like it is ok to comment on people and then say dont comment on people?
Members or not.]]><![CDATA[Milkshake @ 10/14/2006 2:54:03 PM]]>48162006-10-14T14:54:03+01:002006-10-14T14:54:03+01:00<![CDATA[2manyusernames @ 10/14/2006 2:46:15 PM]]>4812Milkshake : Just a side note 2many.
Im not trying to argue here. Its good that we both have diff opinions as it brings it out in the open.
:)
ju...]]>
2006-10-14T14:46:15+01:002006-10-14T14:46:15+01:00Milkshake : Just a side note 2many.
Im not trying to argue here. Its good that we both have diff opinions as it brings it out in the open.
:)
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I agree that one shouldn't use nsfw words as usernames. My point was just that those words shouldn't be considered nsfw. They are just arbitraily chosen to be "naughty" and there is no difference betweed Damn and Darn. Even in useage as you mentioned they are the same thing. Why is one bad and the other isn't?
But since they are considered to be "naughty" by 99.99% of the people than you are right they shouldn't be used. I am in complete agreement there.]]><![CDATA[tomphoolry @ 10/14/2006 2:29:26 PM]]>48102006-10-14T14:29:26+01:002006-10-14T14:29:26+01:00
P.S. Milkshake, I personally agree with you 100% on offensive names, but I would have done what 2many suggested. Messaged Jax with the specifics and then just opened a topic here to talk about offensive member names in general without actually naming anyone. Plime is still in its infancy and we're all still feeling our way. But that's just my opinion and its like a you-know-what. Everybody's got one and they usually smell.]]><![CDATA[Milkshake @ 10/14/2006 11:59:29 AM]]>4789Im not trying to argue here. Its good that we both have diff opinions as it brings it out in the open.
:)]]>2006-10-14T11:59:29+01:002006-10-14T11:59:29+01:00Im not trying to argue here. Its good that we both have diff opinions as it brings it out in the open.
:)]]><![CDATA[Milkshake @ 10/14/2006 11:32:31 AM]]>4786Bastard is bad, but orphan isn't? Both dictate a familial situation

Thats like saying 'sex' is the same word as 'fu*k'
It isnt at all - it comes down to usage. Youre ...]]>2006-10-14T11:32:31+01:002006-10-14T11:32:31+01:00Bastard is bad, but orphan isn't? Both dictate a familial situation

Thats like saying 'sex' is the same word as 'fu*k'
It isnt at all - it comes down to usage. Youre trying to be clever.

No one appreciates being complained about in such a public manner.


If a person doesnt want to be complained about in a public manner then they shouldnt push stuff like this into peoples faces. Me bringing this name up is no where near as rude as choosing that name in the first place.

And, no, we are not all "admins" yes, higher rank will give you more controll over the site, but that doesn't make one an "admin".


Sorry, but I got that phrase from Jax himself. He's said it a number of times. (Not excactly those words but he has said it.)

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That user name was chosen knowing it would be seen in a public forum.
My reaction - complain in a public forum.
Also, i've seen so many forum discussions where some idiot has started swearing and coming out with uncouth and uneducated speil. They get chastised in public for it by the other members.
Whats the difference?]]><![CDATA[2manyusernames @ 10/14/2006 11:07:47 AM]]>4785BrightonCub : Once it's decided whether or not we can chat openly about these things, I'll add my two cents. For the time being there's too many toes to step on!

Until then, can somebody tell me what NSFW m...]]>2006-10-14T11:07:47+01:002006-10-14T11:07:47+01:00BrightonCub : Once it's decided whether or not we can chat openly about these things, I'll add my two cents. For the time being there's too many toes to step on!

Until then, can somebody tell me what NSFW means?
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"NSFW" means Not Safe For Work

As I mentioned above there is no reason to discuss a certain user name. Everything can be discussed in generic terms in the open forums.]]><![CDATA[2manyusernames @ 10/14/2006 11:05:46 AM]]>4784
However, the proper thing in a public forum is to just discuss the use of so-called nsfw usernames. Do not single a person out publicly, that is rude and inconsiderat...]]>2006-10-14T11:05:46+01:002006-10-14T11:05:46+01:00
However, the proper thing in a public forum is to just discuss the use of so-called nsfw usernames. Do not single a person out publicly, that is rude and inconsiderate and unecessary.

Just because we can discuss politics here doesn't mean we can discuss individuals and our opinion of them publicly.

No one appreciates being complained about in such a public manner.

Basically, yes discuss and debate all you want. But do so in general terms. There is no need to single out a certain user.

And, no, we are not all "admins" yes, higher rank will give you more controll over the site, but that doesn't make one an "admin".

Plus higher ranks such as 25 would be extremely difficult to get to with just votes since only 1 vote per member counts.




That being said, I have never understood the concept of "dirty words". The whole idea is inane. Who is it that arbitrarily got together and decided that this word is bad and that is not.

Bastard is bad, but orphan isn't? Both dictate a familial situation

Shit is evil but shoot isn't? Both mean exactly the same thing. Frick, fork, darn, gosh darn, etc are all acceptable? They mean exactly what the so-called "dirty words" mean.
There is no difference. What really is the difference in "I must deficate" and "I gotta shit"? One may sound more base, but Evil? I don't see it.

Don't know of any religious book that says "Thou shalt not say Shit!"
Okay, you got the part about the lord's name in there, but again if that is the case, "gosh darn" or even "gosh" should be just as bad as it means the same thing

Almost all of the "dirty words" were perfectly acceptable at one time. Many of them were replaced by newer words (usually from the conquering tribe). The older words had a "peasant" or uneducated stigma since the new rulers used different words.

That doesn't mean they are evil. They are words. There is no reason why any of them should be considered bad.

However, I know I am in the minority in this opinion so I will drop it.]]><![CDATA[BrightonCub @ 10/14/2006 10:52:42 AM]]>4783
Until then, can somebody tell me what NSFW means?]]>2006-10-14T10:52:42+01:002006-10-14T10:52:42+01:00
Until then, can somebody tell me what NSFW means?]]><![CDATA[Milkshake @ 10/14/2006 9:39:46 AM]]>4779
It comes down to what everybody thinks. Because of that I think it would be unfair to discuss it privately. If I had a rank of 25 and someone privately asked me to change something Id tell them to...]]>2006-10-14T09:39:46+01:002006-10-14T09:39:46+01:00
It comes down to what everybody thinks. Because of that I think it would be unfair to discuss it privately. If I had a rank of 25 and someone privately asked me to change something Id tell them to put it in the forums to see what everyone else thinks. We're all naked in here.

Edit -
Sorry 2many I should have been clearer. I got the tongue in cheek bit. :)
Also. I think people need to stop seeing this with the same eyes as they see worth. It is a totally different format - this place encourages politics and debate through a range of subjects. Almost the complete opposite of worth.]]><![CDATA[2manyusernames @ 10/14/2006 9:19:45 AM]]>4778

I was only saying that much as in Worth we shouldn't discuss other users in the forum.

Such concerns should be discussed with admins via a *private* message...]]>2006-10-14T09:19:45+01:002006-10-14T09:19:45+01:00

I was only saying that much as in Worth we shouldn't discuss other users in the forum.

Such concerns should be discussed with admins via a *private* message.

Contact Jaxom or Galoot in such manners.

At least I assume that would be the steps that should be taken]]><![CDATA[Milkshake @ 10/14/2006 8:57:06 AM]]>4775My 5 year old niece was on here the other day looking for games.
Whoever chose that name doesnt give a damn about her right not to have words like that shoved in her face so I dont give a damn about 'Groovy Bas***ds' privacy.

Be...]]>2006-10-14T08:57:06+01:002006-10-14T08:57:06+01:00My 5 year old niece was on here the other day looking for games.
Whoever chose that name doesnt give a damn about her right not to have words like that shoved in her face so I dont give a damn about 'Groovy Bas***ds' privacy.

Besides its not just this particular user that bothers me.
Its the fact that someone can call themselves that in the first place. Does this mean someone could sign up and call themselves 'Fuc**ty F**k F**k' and then proceed to post?

I'm not complaining. Its just that we have had a fair bit of discussion on using NSFW in titles when it is needed. There is no point having NSFW in a title if the guy who posted the article has a name like that. The damage is already done.]]><![CDATA[2manyusernames @ 10/14/2006 1:06:45 AM]]>4757Milkshake : Can anything be done about this.

2006-10-14T01:06:45+01:002006-10-14T01:06:45+01:00Milkshake : Can anything be done about this.

I just dont think its an acceptable username.
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What if he really is one? :-)

I would think that such discussions should be held privately with a site message to Jaxom]]>
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<![CDATA[Milkshake @ 10/14/2006 12:35:37 AM]]>355
Arnt I a sport. Sport?? Football! :D

And just before anyone goes shouting "I agree, that Milky got it well wrong" - this is he editing....]]>2006-10-14T00:35:37+01:002006-10-14T00:35:37+01:00
Arnt I a sport. Sport?? Football! :D

And just before anyone goes shouting "I agree, that Milky got it well wrong" - this is he editing. :)]]>