This highly NSFW video. Seriously. There are probably 3, maybe 4 words in this that are SFW. One of those is Uncle.
The incisive remark will come later.]]>
Besides, if we take the whole religious route, what about Adam and Eve's children or Noah's children? Incest has been a part of our history since the beginning of time and we're still going strong.
Incest is the best :-D. (I have all sisters but if I had a hot brother then I might consider it)]]>
Dogs have sex with members of their own litters and it does wonders for the breeding process. No harm in humans following suit.]]>
Reproduction...I keep hoping people will be brighter about that one, but I'm not holding my breath.]]>
Other than that, you've raised a good point. Homosexual incest is okay so long as it's pleasing a man (or at least another)? I don't like the contradiction!hmm, good point.. so do you have a twin? :-)
but I must agree It is not everyones secret fetish but a lot of people's..but 'Homosexual incest".. well when you put it that way it doesnt sound as hott, lol]]>
I dont look down on them or think that they're disgusting for what they enjoy, and society seems alright with it as a whole... the whole coors light twins and doublemint commercials with hot twins.. how do u explain that?Well.... it's not everyone's secret fetish to hook up with twins. It may be many people's secret fetish, but not everyones.
Other than that, you've raised a good point. Homosexual incest is okay so long as it's pleasing a man (or at least another)? I don't like the contradiction!]]>
I dont look down on them or think that they're disgusting for what they enjoy, and society seems alright with it as a whole... the whole coors light twins and doublemint commercials with hot twins.. how do u explain that?]]>
I don't care what other people do as long as it's not harmful to others.]]>
If it's just nuns in general that get you going, well, it's not a difficult role play to arrange...]]>
So why shouldn't we be allowed to do our sisters or brothers?I don't know. I think we should be allowed. I know I certainly wouldn't do my brothers, but there are many, many people on this planet that I would not do, either. This brings the ewwww, grooosssss factor to mind: just because I might find doing a 600 pound man or some other fetishist repulsive doesn't mean it should be illegal. I would definitely not do my brother (though my friend's brother might be another story ;)), but it shouldn't be illegal.
I agree that the argument of passing on genetic defects is void; there are so many ways to harm potential children that related parents seems like a lesser evil. There is no law preventing expectant mothers from drinking and smoking, nor is there a law preventing people from mating if they will pass on terrible diseases, so I don't think that parents who *might* pass on a disease because they're related should be at all illegal.]]>
I think the entire population of the State of Tennessee is one family.
Oookay.....
That got me. Yep. I laughed. A lot.
As far as incest is concerned: See my answer to the whole dog love thing.
If that is your thing, go for it. Just leave me the hell out of it.
I really don't think that the government has any right to interfere in the actions of two consenting adults ever.]]>
*raises glass* Cheers]]>
All it takes is beer and dedication and you can have a pair of your very own.]]>
btw, I don't mind looking like you, but I'm keeping the boobs. Dammit, I wanted the boobs!
/threadjack]]>
btw, I don't mind looking like you, but I'm keeping the boobs.]]>
Errrr, okayyyyy then.]]>
I do have a question myself.
Do you think the "uh....because it's gross" remark would've been made if it wasn't for those very same laws?
I personally think that the majority of our world views, beliefs, ideals are a direct result of social conditioning, I'll give an example...
I was at one point totally homophobic and anti-gay. I was raised in a strict religious household and from an early age taught that homosexuality was a sin against god, disgusting, unnatural and was raised to believe that homosexuals were filthy, sex-mad individuals.
I got a brain and a mind of my own, experienced life for myself and now my views on homosexuality and other subjects are a million miles from how I was raised and how I once thought.
I think the same applies here, society has taboo's, parents and society teach children these views and so it goes from generation to generation. I try, don't always succeed, but I try, to not pass my views and beliefs on to my kids but help them to develop their own set of values and ideals that are personal to them, not imposed on them by society or me or my wife, but beliefs and views that they have developed themselves. It seems to be working, they are kind, not easily swayed by peers, non-judgemental of the things a lot of their friends are and, fingers crossed, can go on thinking for themselves without bowing to the pressure to conform that society tries to heap on us in order to ultimately keep us under "control" for reasons that I won't go into here as it'd go on too long. :D
Bottom line, if it works for you, it doesn't affect how I live or adversely affect other peoples lives then go for it.]]>
The bible will have you believe that because there was only Adam and Eve and their descendents, we are all just a pool of brothers and sisters inbreeding with one another without major consequences. When we know in reality that's not true, otherwise these genetic defects experienced by the inbreeding of the Spanish monarchy would be present today. Plus we'd all look the same >.< yuk! (No offense, DL)
The migrations of people that allowed blood evolution prevents strangers from being related far down the generational chain in order to prevent inbreeding.
The issue of genetic mutations is not the only issue agaisnt incest. There are also families that have children of all one gender (all boys, all girls) Unless, you are advocating parent-child incest (which I know you are not) it would impossible for said families (only one single gendered children) to go forth with incest.
I would be emotionally attached to my cousin, say who isn't my brother, but he is the son of my uncle, my father's brother. While first cousin incest is more widely recognized (my great-grandmother married her first cousin) the blood has already been mucked-up by generations of mixing.
I think the entire population of the State of Tennessee is one family.
King Charles II of Spain
The royal and noble families of Europe have close blood ties which are strengthened by royal intermarriage; the most discussed instances of interbreeding relate to European monarchies. Examples abound in every royal family; in particular, the ruling dynasties of Spain and Portugal were in the past very inbred. Several Habsburgs, Bourbons and Wittelsbachs married aunts, uncles, nieces and nephews. Even in the British royal family, which is very moderate in comparison, there has scarcely been a monarch in 300 years who has not married a (near or distant) relative. Indeed, Queen Elizabeth II and her husband Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh are second cousins once removed, both being descended from King Christian IX of Denmark. They are also third cousins as great-great-grandchildren of Queen Victoria of the United Kingdom. European monarchies did avoid brother-sister marriages, though Jean V of Armagnac was an exception.
Family tree of Charles II king of Spain
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if a non-related couple attended genetic counseling, and the result revealed an increased risk of inherited disorders for children originating from that relationship, a (hypothetical) eugenics law hindering those people from having their babies despite that known risk would probably cause a rage among civil rights activists.
Now that is a very legitimate reason NOT to have laws prohibiting the "doing" of a brother or sister .(I really prayed you meant something else by doing, right before I entered this thread, but whatev..)
I do have a question myself.
Do you think the "uh....because it's gross" remark would've been made if it wasn't for those very same laws?
I mean, I do think it's gross myself, but I do wonder if that's because I don't think my brothers are very f*ckable, or if being brought up with the laws made me think so.
There are enough cultures in which it is normal and acceptable to get wed to a cousin...not my culture, so I think that's pretty gross too..
What do you think? Maybe laws like that aren't all bad?]]>
Sick bastid.. :D]]>
I think that foot fetishes are THE most disgusting thing in the world but it doesn't make it wrong or mean it should be illegal.I love feet! and if the sister is hot I say go for it.. I have about 6 female friends that I call my sisters(see the post the real you thread) and I've hooked up with some of them, lol not the same but hey, if they're adults and they wanna do it, let them.. their* kids are probably gonna be real screwed up when they're older but hey! thats an entirely different argument]]>
protecting the rights of the unconceived would be a viable justification to some judges]]>
Good enough for me...]]>
I wonder what his opinion is about having sex under the influence of drugs or alcohol. That will increase the risk of genetic defects too.
Now what about people with genetic defects like inheritable diabetes, are they allowed to have sex at all?You got me wrong. Said judge is arguing against the prohibition of incest.]]>
Incest does occur in nature, and we encourage incest in animals we are breeding for specific purposes (dogs, cattle, etc.). Claiming that it "goes against nature" because it increases the risk of genetic defect is akin to discouraging people with inherited genetic defects (dwarfism, albinism, etc.) from having children for the same reason. Anyone care to try that one out on the general public?
Sure, it might be distasteful to some people, and I strongly encourage those people to not participate in it.]]>
I wonder what his opinion is about having sex under the influence of drugs or alcohol. That will increase the risk of genetic defects too.
Now what about people with genetic defects like inheritable diabetes, are they allowed to have sex at all?]]>
Plus, like cheeselog said, it's gross.Where exactly does it say it goes against nature?
So let's just imagine you and your husband happened to be informed of an increased risk for your future children of suffering from an inherited disease. You could make the choice not to have babies - but would you want the state to criminalize intercourse between the two of you?
Also (I hate to play the Mershaullk here -jk) but "gross" should never ever be an argument for sending someone to jail. Someone might find your ears gross (hypothetically!), or the way you eat chicken. You wouldn't want to be locked away for that reason, would you?]]>
Plus, like cheeselog said, it's gross.]]>
Meet me in the parking lot.]]>
Yeh, that argument doesn't really hold a lot of weight.
I think that foot fetishes are THE most disgusting thing in the world but it doesn't make it wrong or mean it should be illegal.]]>
*brainzzzz brraaaaainz! must eet brainz!*]]>
Just askin...Yes. Bummer, I know.]]>
Just askin...]]>
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As for Germany, the laws have only recently been reviewed due to current events - the Federal Constitutional Court declared them them to be in accordance with the constitution. One of the judges, however, voted against those laws, making a pretty good point in my opinion:
The main argument against incest between consenting adults is the increased risk of inheriting genetic defects, i.e. an argument of eugenics. Eugenics, however, are not and should not be an issue of any government - the right of (sexual) self-determination as a constitutionally declared human right should accordingly be rated higher.
Furthermore, the "increased" risk of genetic defects mentioned above seems to be significantly lower in reality than generally assumed - serious "inbreeding" of entire communities for several decades or centuries is an entirely different issue - the incest laws aren't even about reproduction, but about intercourse itself. Plus, if a non-related couple attended genetic counseling, and the result revealed an increased risk of inherited disorders for children originating from that relationship, a (hypothetical) eugenics law hindering those people from having their babies despite that known risk would probably cause a rage among civil rights activists.
So why shouldn't we be allowed to do our sisters or brothers?]]>