Well, this just makes it all the more interesting. I wait with baited breath for the DNA results.

Yea unfortunately I think I can see this one coming in like the tide.

The father of the baby has had some problems with the law, and he IS a cop. Still, he got slapped on the wrists compared to what YOU or I would get in these situations, no? Oh, how I understand the politics!!

Car was left there, no money was missing, just the woman. Her older child was left unharmed. All this was was about getting rid of her.

Part of me believes that this found baby isn't related to the case. I do not believe anyone would abduct a woman (because you know if you are wrapped in a rug you are not going to get out alive) to let the baby live either.

I guess if her captors kept her alive, since she is close to being due, she could have delivered it, or if she was killed, well....I guess they could have gotten the baby out.

My gut tells me though, it was important to get her out before she had the baby and whoever did it had no intention of letting either live.

And I believe that the father has everything to do with this.

I HIGHLY reccomend this book, he has written some that are geared towards protecting children as well....



There are three crime scenes, in most cases.

1. where you are confronted
2. getting into a car with your abductor
3. where they find your body.

I am not saying she did not struggle like hell. Perhaps she didn't out of fear of upsetting her son. I don't know how I would react with my kids there. I would want to be alive and do whatever to get away from the house, if they would let my kids live, if that meant I had to go. (being rolled up in a rug though, leads me to believe she was incapacitated already)

But after yrs of self defense, being currently married to a martial artist, divorcing a cop and working as a paramedic and 911 operator, I gotta say this and perhaps this isn't the right thread to do it...

But fight! I would rather they find my body and have closure than go thru what many families go thru.

Listen to you gut if things do not make sense to you. Do not be afraid to insult someone if you feel wary of them. Respect your personal boundaries and if someone creeps you out, don't let them continue to worm their ways in and leave you vunerable.

LOOK people that make you uncomfortable in the eye. I show no fear. I may feel it, but I do not show it.

Our unconcious protects us, we as humans usually try to rationalize what our body is reading in our environment.

I am not in any way saying this poor gal did ONE thing wrong. I wasn't there, I do not know all the details as the police are still releasing details. I wanted to get this stuff out for all of us...especially us gals.

I don't know if the baby is her baby either. I guess that is what DNA is for. I don't think it will end well for the Mom. "Mommy's in the rug" uttered by a 2 year old is a chilling thing.

TraumaMamma you are soo right. We do need to be prepared, and careful. There is nothing wrong with protecting ourselves.

I wonder if we will ever know what really happened to her.

An update....not sure if I should be starting new threads every time I see an update.....If anyone wants to tell me the etiquette on it, I would appreciate it.



See, another TraumaMamma fact, my ex, the cop DID in fact get custody of my younge children. It was a threat he always put out whenever I threatened to leave him. I got tired of his crap after his affair made the front page of the morning journal where his mistress (another common denominator) and he took a union trip to vegas and she was a witness in the case.

As I had just started at 911 as an operator I had no time on the books to go. He took her. And the defense got wind of their relationship and put it out for all to see.

Not a good way to wake up, eh?

I had no money to fight for custody. He was chummy with the prosecutor for the county and used his office for his atty. My atty was a dumbass but I barely had enough money to employ him.

I guess I coulda curled up with a bottle of mad dog 20/20 and felt sorry for myself. I didnt. I worked hard, kept my chin up, decided I was gonna pay it forward in life and continued to do good things. I met a wonderful man (I said I would never marry again, but he changed that) as he was the complete polar opposite of my ex. Kind, considerate, faithful.

We raise bull terriers and I have worked to get our oldest certified in Therapy dog work.

I have kept two yrs of notes, incidents, and even recordings and was planning to go to overturn custody. I got enough to do it.

But after reading things such as this, and seeing the slideshows, maybe getting out alive, the kids and I is winning in the long run.

My ex stabbed a deer to death he wounded for my son for a hunting trip. My son was ten, it was his first deer, and he winged it for him. (what are we, cheetahs?? I hunt too!! but we take our game as cleanly and ethically as we can!) When my son missed, my ex walked over to the buck and held it down as it tried to get away and stabbed it to death.

My ex sends plenty of intimidating messages. That, my friends is the tip of the iceberg.

I am in litigation with him right now as he kept an extra 5000.00 in support payments I paid him. I was going to try to overturn the custody. I pray every nite for answers.

This and these tell me not to.