Good, Life should mean life. It's only a shame we don't see this more often in our courts.

when i saw the headline i thought it was this guy:

glad i was mistaken.

regretting the fact that you don't have the death penalty my good friends from across the pond?...

Not at all. Murder is murder, whether it is state sanctioned or an independent action.

I respect your sticktoitedness, I'm not neccessarily advocating the death penalty (God knows your country has a LONG and bloody history with capital punishment and no one would blame you for wanting to evolve past that history) just stirring the pot a little.

beat me too it I was gonna say the same thing but use this image

To be honest, yes, a little. Especially the way this country is going at the moment, maybe a little capital punishment would straighten a few people out, it would certainly drop the recidivism rate.

I kind of agree with this too, however I feel that once somebody feels they have the right to take the life of another innocent human being they deserve all that's coming to them, whether that is state sanctioned execution or a beating at the hands of the other inmates.

That's fair enough, but it would be a fairly poor stance if we abolished the death penalty only to call for it back* every time someone does something bad.

Plus, we've had some pretty grim mass murderers in our time too - Harold Shipman springs to mind.

Personally, I think that the death penalty is a bit of an easy way out - a lifetime to consider, and have it brought back to you, again and again is a more intense punishment.

*Doubtless there will be.

I think you might have worded that a little strongly - i feel I have have the right to kill anyone who physically harms me, my friends or my family. If any one raped my hypothetical daughters for example, he's not going to be around for long.

I think everyone is capable of killing under the right circumstances, although killing for sexual pleasure and personal gain are reprehensible.

I also believe in the death penalty, although I have two improvements for it.

1)evidence for conviction should not be sufficient for the death penalty, there should be a higher standard if the state wants an execution.

2) the jury who convicts must be the executioners.

It's easy to say someone deserves to die - but you have to really mean it if you have to do it yourself.

Yeah, I did word it a bit strongly, I agree with your first point, When I said "the right to take someone's life" I meant it in terms of as you said, killing for pleasure and personal gain.

I have always said in arguments like this, There must be 100% certainty of the guilt of the offender 99.9% is not enough, it must be absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt proven that the offender is responsible.

As for your suggestion 2. that's a damn good idea, if someone believes someone else deserves to die they should have no qualms about 'pushing the button' as it were.

Whilst I'm opposed to the death penalty, I do agree to those conditions you suggest, if that's not too much of an oxymoron.

I'd go further and say that there would be some culpability for the jury (and possibly other parts of the judicial system). If a person is wrongly executed then those who advocated it should take on some of the responsibility.

I think you should just be allowed to send them to vacation in a Texas prison where they can and will put him to death.

Yeah, but EU treaty says we can't extradite a person to a country if they will receive a death sentence.

Death Penalty aside (btw, opposed.) where were these families while their daughters were on drugs and performing acts of prostitution. The families always show up at the trial and say how much they loved their daughers/sisters/cousins that they allowed to go into the street and do drugs. They could have saved them from their grisly end by intervention on their behalf. I'm sure some of them didn't know and were quite shocked to learn of the jobs these women had but I maintain a good family relationship with most of my sisters and I keep tabs on the others. A simple note, a phone call and an open door, that's all is needed.

If Dalmer (sp?) is any indication, his life sentence won't be for life. I don't know about the death rate by other inmates in England but over here child molesters and serial killers need just as much protection from the general population as the general pop needs from them.

Finally, REINSTITUTE PRISON WORK. Don't let him sit around being a drain on the economy. Make him work for no pay to repay his 'debt to society'

Do we tell him he's going to Disneyland and see how long it takes him to catch on?