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257774http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q49<![CDATA[DerAlt @ 5/15/2008 8:27:09 AM]]>« JoshSF49:Ok, I spend much of my day reading into politics and stuff, and I am well aware that the NYT supported Hillary.

But, they have since changed their mind and asked her to drop out (yes, it was an editorial, but it was an official editorial). The NYT is very upset at her, thus they would most certainly write about how she *only won because WV is racist*.Look Josh, you have ranted in these posts with a very consistant agenda. "You hate Obama" and are so blinded by it you have often left reason and facts by the wayside.

You say you knew the NYT was endorsing Hillary but still claimed they hated her? That's nonsense, it's just a spin put to facts so they seemed to be what you wanted to believe.

Now you state that they also printed an editorial that was diametrically opposed to their official editorial stance. If that's so then it's a good example of their willingness to report all sides of an issue.

I have not seen ANY article, on Plime or in the NYT that says she only won because WV is racist.

There is a post that puts forth some FACTS, gathered by interviewing the actual white voters there and prints the data about their STATED racial leanings.

Notice it says that the voters questioned were white. Therefore it makes no statement about the black voters. The fact that the blacks voted very largly for Obama, 81%, I think, speaks for itself really and it's obvious they were also guided by the race of the candidate.

You accept the black statistic readily but you argue the definition of white one by pointing out what the blacks did...as though that gave it some moral standing.

The "strangeness" I find in your posts is the hatred level you seem to have between Hillary and Obama. Both of the candidates have such similar platforms...both want to leave Iraq, both want medical care program, both want to reinstate some taxes etc etc. What possible reason can there be for so intense a dislike for one of two such similar candidates.

Why not stop making slanted guesses and check out some actual facts? Using your "most certainly" method of determing truth would put you in a rather bad light.
Fortunatly we won't do that.]]>5/15/2008 8:27:09 AM2008-05-15T08:27:09+01:00257715http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q48<![CDATA[JoshSF49 @ 5/15/2008 1:54:51 AM]]>« DerAlt : This is exactly what I mean when I say you're just making crap up as you go along.
Apparently you are totally unaware that the NY Times is supporting Hillary as their democratic primary choice.

Please less vitriol and more checking.Ok, I spend much of my day reading into politics and stuff, and I am well aware that the NYT supported Hillary.

But, they have since changed their mind and asked her to drop out (yes, it was an editorial, but it was an official editorial). The NYT is very upset at her, thus they would most certainly write about how she *only won because WV is racist*.]]>5/15/2008 1:54:51 AM2008-05-15T01:54:51+01:00257649http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q47<![CDATA[dollyllama @ 5/14/2008 10:58:35 PM]]>
"The Church of the Masters" is, to understate, a predominantly black church. We attended a service and then went to the hall for Sunday School. During this time I was asked to leave the room, or rather, ordered to do so.

I was gone 5 minutes or so before I was ordered back in. After I was ordered back in I was denigrated by everyone. For being "whatever". They found some reason, my patent leather shoes, my white gloves (we dressed like that for church back then) my hair, my eye color...whatever. It was a set up and a lesson. I was blind-sided. I had no idea what they were doing or why. All I knew was that I was not liked, not welcome, not wanted and not human. They hated me. The friends I came up there with, the leaders, everyone. I had somehow made everyone hate me and I didn't know why and I couldn't change it or control it or make it stop.

Ultimately a girl about my age, a member of the church took my hand in hers. We were both crying at that point and they explained to me that they were trying to show what discrimination and prejudice is. I don't know if anyone else learned a lesson that day but even now, when I think back to that day I cry. I know that I felt dehumanized and I know that discrimination, in whatever form, in whichever race, creed, color, sex, sexual orientation, gender, size or age that discrimination takes, it is dehumanizing. I don't need that study or any paper to tell me it's so, I know it's so.

I still remember that girl, pigtails, yellow dress, rough palms that tenderly took my broken spirit in her hands and made me feel like a person again. She was the only person who wouldn't join in on the taunts, she did keep silent but she couldn't help but cry and feel my pain. I hope she has gone on to great things.

Now, this story won't mean anything to you if you've never experienced real discrimination. It's just another story that maybe you can sympathize with but not empathize with. Truly discrimination knows no bounds but there are some groups that suffer it to a far greater degree. Some groups even get used to it, maybe not embrace it but eventually come to deal with it, on the whole, as "how it is". Perhaps that's the most dehumanizing effect of all.

In short, I don't care who is being discriminated against or for what reason, it is most certainly dehumanizing.]]>5/14/2008 10:58:35 PM2008-05-14T22:58:35+01:00257554http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q46<![CDATA[TraumaMamma @ 5/14/2008 8:52:32 PM]]>« chinook : When I read articles such as this, and the discussion that followed here in the comments, all I can think about is calling up my mama and thanking her for raising me the way she did.

I grew up in the most multicultural community in the (Canadian) prairies, and I spent every summer in the north. As a result, I don't see skin colour as being anything more meaningful than hair colour, although everyone's culture is something to be embraced. Dene, Hindu, Filipino, Ukrainian.... we're all humans!Amen sister~

C'mere and gimme some sugar!

OM NOM NOM NOM!!!]]>5/14/2008 8:52:32 PM2008-05-14T20:52:32+01:00257498http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q45<![CDATA[chinook @ 5/14/2008 8:01:36 PM]]>
I grew up in the most multicultural community in the (Canadian) prairies, and I spent every summer in the north. As a result, I don't see skin colour as being anything more meaningful than hair colour, although everyone's culture is something to be embraced. Dene, Hindu, Filipino, Ukrainian.... we're all humans!]]>5/14/2008 8:01:36 PM2008-05-14T20:01:36+01:00257490http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q44<![CDATA[chinook @ 5/14/2008 7:55:27 PM]]>« coldbladed : No offense to TM but I hate the term "reverse racism". This has to be something made up to disassociate racism against whites with racism by whites so that racists can feel better about hating on whitey. The truth of the matter is that is all the same.

Coming from a white guy that went to High School on an indian reservation I can tell you that hate speech doesn't hurt any less and isn't any less excusable just because it is directed at a white person.I wish I could upvote you more.

Racism frustrates me, no matter who is behind it.

Does it matter? Hate is hate, and your skin colour doesn't make you any better or worse for perpetuating it.

I could go on for hours giving examples of where racism against fair-skinned Canadians is applauded, but I won't to save you all from a rant.]]>5/14/2008 7:55:27 PM2008-05-14T19:55:27+01:00257449http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q43<![CDATA[donteatpoop @ 5/14/2008 6:52:09 PM]]>« coldbladed:This has to be something made up to disassociate racism against whites with racism by whites so that racists can feel better about hating on whitey. The truth of the matter is that is all the same.Amen to that. Racist, by it's definition, does not exlude any race. If you hate all whites, you are racist. If you hate all Mexicans, you are racist. If you hate all blacks, Asians, Jews, etc., you are racist.

The reverse of racism is acceptance. Clearly what is being called "reverse racism" is in no way a reverse of racism.

« TraumaMamma : What are we supposed to call it when it happens to us?
Racism. It's still a prejudice that targets a specific race, so it is still racism.]]>5/14/2008 6:52:09 PM2008-05-14T18:52:09+01:00257448http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q42<![CDATA[TraumaMamma @ 5/14/2008 6:51:29 PM]]>« coldbladed : No offense to TM but I hate the term "reverse racism". This has to be something made up to disassociate racism against whites with racism by whites so that racists can feel better about hating on whitey. The truth of the matter is that is all the same.

Coming from a white guy that went to High School on an indian reservation I can tell you that hate speech doesn't hurt any less and isn't any less excusable just because it is directed at a white person.I totally see where you are coming from on that. Really, I do. I hate the term racism in general.

I guess what bugs me is, when it is anyone other than a white person, it is labeled as racism. What are we supposed to call it when it happens to us?]]>5/14/2008 6:51:29 PM2008-05-14T18:51:29+01:00257392http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q41<![CDATA[DerAlt @ 5/14/2008 5:38:03 PM]]>« JoshSF49 : You mean, like I do every time I respond?

I never claimed there was. All I was pointing out was how 80% of whites may vote for Hillary, 80% of blacks vote for Obama. The NYT is incredibly hostile to Hillary, and they wouldn't dare print the 80% in SC for Obama........This is exactly what I mean when I say you're just making crap up as you go along.
Apparently you are totally unaware that the NY Times is supporting Hillary as their democratic primary choice.

Please less vitriol and more checking.]]>5/14/2008 5:38:03 PM2008-05-14T17:38:03+01:00257373http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q40<![CDATA[coldbladed @ 5/14/2008 5:17:42 PM]]>
Coming from a white guy that went to High School on an indian reservation I can tell you that hate speech doesn't hurt any less and isn't any less excusable just because it is directed at a white person.]]>5/14/2008 5:17:42 PM2008-05-14T17:17:42+01:00257369http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q39<![CDATA[JoshSF49 @ 5/14/2008 5:13:27 PM]]>« DerAlt : Is there some inability on your part to understand what you read without putting your own personal slant on it?You mean, like I do every time I respond?

There is no statement in my post assigning sole responsibility of racism to whites, or any other ethnic group...that's an incredible leap of misunderstood assumption.
I never claimed there was. All I was pointing out was how 80% of whites may vote for Hillary, 80% of blacks vote for Obama. The NYT is incredibly hostile to Hillary, and they wouldn't dare print the 80% in SC for Obama.

The post stands on it's own based on the report of what West Virginia voters openly said. That is the only point it's intended to make, anything else you think you read may be due to your irrational hate of Obama.
A.) It's not irrational, B.) it's not hate.

I understand that's what WV voters said. My point was to say that factoring race into this one specific primary is ridiculous.

Your solutions to racism are all old news. They've been given lip service for years. It seems that most races of people are genetically
coded to some sort of nationalism, racism or what have you. They want to be with and support "their own kind."
They've been given lip service, but that's it.

Racism, meaning some sort of predudice, has been with us since the dawn of man and will most likely be with us for many years to come.

We just can't be as obvious about it any more.
I understand, but we have to work on fixing it instead of just leaving it be.]]>5/14/2008 5:13:27 PM2008-05-14T17:13:27+01:00257361http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q38<![CDATA[DerAlt @ 5/14/2008 5:02:20 PM]]>« JoshSF49:So? 80% of blacks vote for Obama because he's black. Racism isn't only whites against blacks, it's blacks against whites as well, and the Democratic campaign has been a particularly racist campaign.

However, the only way to stop racism is to stop identifying people by race. This means no affirmative action, no race questions on applications or surveys. We need to be color-blind. But instead we try to help the minorities, and it only leads to more racism.Is there some inability on your part to understand what you read without putting your own personal slant on it? This happens with you almost every time I post something.

There is no statement in my post assigning sole responsibility of racism to whites, or any other ethnic group...that's an incredible leap of misunderstood assumption.

The post stands on it's own based on the report of what white West Virginia voters openly said. That is the only point it's intended to make.

Your solutions to racism are all old news. They've been given lip service for years. It seems that most races of people are genetically coded to some sort of nationalism, racism or what have you. They want to be with and support "their own kind."

Racism, meaning some sort of predudice, has been with us since the dawn of man and will most likely be with us for many years to come.

We just can't be as obvious about it any more.]]>5/14/2008 5:02:20 PM2008-05-14T17:02:20+01:00257360http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q37<![CDATA[Hypermdavis @ 5/14/2008 4:59:50 PM]]>5/14/2008 4:59:50 PM2008-05-14T16:59:50+01:00257327http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q36<![CDATA[Fizz71 @ 5/14/2008 3:57:08 PM]]>« theshirtpocket:I have taken part in Harvard's implicit racism studies Have you ever posted that link?

I took the race one twice..first as me and a second time as a young black women with a limited education, a lousy job and who hates whitey...but I didn't change how I did the actual test (just the questions before and after)..just to see if it skewed the results. Both time it came back as leaning towards white people, but to a much less degree the second time when I was a black racist. :)

EDiT..I also slightly preffered straigts over gays but had ZERO correlation between white/blacks and weapons/harmless things. It was pretty fun, but I don't know if I turly believe it since every test I take slowly puts me towards the middle of the road.]]>5/14/2008 3:57:08 PM2008-05-14T15:57:08+01:00257300http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q35<![CDATA[theshirtpocket @ 5/14/2008 3:23:36 PM]]>« Fizz71 :
Some teacher or professor once told me this one line YEARS ago and this study reminded me of it... "If I find that 90% of the people who got the flu this year ate oranges, it doesn't mean that oranges are a leading cause of the flu"Correlations do not indicate causation, they indicate a relationship. There is a very strong correlation between ice cream consumption and crime rates. Does that mean that ice cream makes you go out and commit a crime? As awesome as that would be, no, but there is still a relationship there. It could be because more crimes are committed in summer, when temperature and humidity further disgruntle individuals. And of course, you eat more ice cream in the summer to cool off.

But I do hear you on the way the study was conducted. I have taken part in Harvard's implicit racism studies and I always argued that the reason I associate "good" words, like peace and love, with white faces was because I thought of my family, who are white. It wasn't until later that I realized that that indicates a narrow field of relationships, that if I were truly "color blind," then I would associate those words with individuals who are not of my family and of a different skin color.]]>5/14/2008 3:23:36 PM2008-05-14T15:23:36+01:00257298http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q34<![CDATA[Fizz71 @ 5/14/2008 3:14:11 PM]]>« larknet : IMHO, Fizz71 has good points and someone is downvoting every item. It would have been nice for whoever is doing that to explain themselves. /steps down from soapbox.Thank You. Had I already known the phrase "Post hoc ergo propter hoc" I would have posted that and moved on. :) ..but I doubt anybody would have gotten it besides psycmoe.]]>5/14/2008 3:14:11 PM2008-05-14T15:14:11+01:00257297http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q33<![CDATA[JoshSF49 @ 5/14/2008 3:06:45 PM]]>« unzercharlie : I agree with everything else you said, but I'd like to know where you got this figure.It was particularly the South Carolina primary that I got my information off of, Link.

I know the black vote is strong for him, but South Carolina is the only one I could remember off the top of my head.]]>5/14/2008 3:06:45 PM2008-05-14T15:06:45+01:00257296http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q32<![CDATA[horsefeathers @ 5/14/2008 3:06:05 PM]]>« JoshSF49 :Right, which is what I find funny about the election is that people are claiming "racism" when whites don't vote for Obama, but when blacks don't vote for Hillary they're not racist OR sexist. I have hated this entire election talking about "blue collar workers," "blacks," "whites," "rich, white collar workers," and all these other demographics. It's as if these people can't vote for themselves, but are bound to their stereotypes.I agree. I hate politics. I hate arguing about politics and I can not wait for this election to be over. I hate even more arguing about race, or just discrimination in general. Everyone has their own personal take and belief on the subject. I work in a predominantly male field, in fact, I'm the only woman in my department. It's not easy. Preconceived impression by some that a woman does not know what she is doing compared to her male counterparts. Race is also a preconceived impression by some people also. Sometimes I find that it's too easy for people to throw down the race card when any little thing happens or when a certain comment is made. You can have a white on white incident or event and nothing is said about race, you can take the exact same incident or event and it involved an african american and a white and right away it's all about race.

Not along ago, I was told that using the word "black" to describe race instead of African American is racist and using that word is basically projecting the time of slavery.]]>5/14/2008 3:06:05 PM2008-05-14T15:06:05+01:00257291http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q31<![CDATA[TraumaMamma @ 5/14/2008 2:58:07 PM]]>« doggylives : Not disagreeing with ya just adding the point that there's really no such thing as "reverse discrimination", discrimination is plain and simple discrimination whoever it's against.

I totally agree with you that all should be treated equally but at the same time cultural differences shouldn't be ignored but should instead be embraced and toleratedI get what you are saying, but no one can accept that *any* whites are discriminated against. Whites are seen as the oppressors.

Do you remember this story?

I was outraged at this. It takes away from the heroes it was honoring.

I am sure there were italians, orientals, native americans, (insert any race here) that would be left out in changing the faces in the statue.

Whites, blacks and hispanics do not honor ALL of america.

I just hate labels! We all all human.]]>5/14/2008 2:58:07 PM2008-05-14T14:58:07+01:00257290http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q30<![CDATA[larknet @ 5/14/2008 2:54:37 PM]]>
IMHO, Fizz71 has good points and someone is downvoting every item. It would have been nice for whoever is doing that to explain themselves. /steps down from soapbox.]]>5/14/2008 2:54:37 PM2008-05-14T14:54:37+01:00257289http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q29<![CDATA[unzercharlie @ 5/14/2008 2:52:50 PM]]>« JoshSF49 : So? 80% of blacks vote for Obama because he's black.I agree with everything else you said, but I'd like to know where you got this figure.]]>5/14/2008 2:52:50 PM2008-05-14T14:52:50+01:00257287http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q28<![CDATA[psycmoe @ 5/14/2008 2:45:29 PM]]>« doggylives : That is exactly the point that Tim Wise makes in the video I posted.

I've read "White Guilt" and I'd suggest a better book to read is , White Like Me - Reflections on Race from a Privileged Son by Tim Wise. IMHO anyway. :)I think I'm going to read some damn fiction next... Haven't read Frankenstein yet.

But yes, now it's embedded on my brain to read. You read c**t. We'll have fun.

I have to go scream at graph paper now.

EDIT: That really is actually a book title.]]>5/14/2008 2:45:29 PM2008-05-14T14:45:29+01:00257286http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q27<![CDATA[psycmoe @ 5/14/2008 2:43:55 PM]]>« Fizz71 : Actually I think it's:
Cum hoc ergo propter hoc
...or is it...
Post hoc ergo propter hoc
...I had to go look that up. :) My Atinlay isn't very oodgay.

Op, yep, you got it. Oops.]]>5/14/2008 2:43:55 PM2008-05-14T14:43:55+01:00257285http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q26<![CDATA[doggylives @ 5/14/2008 2:41:23 PM]]>« psycmoe : Might pick it up.

What I mean to say is that most people seem to use "colour blindness" as a way to sweep any genuine discussion of race relations under the rug.. That is exactly the point that Tim Wise makes in the video I posted.

I've read "White Guilt" and I'd suggest a better book to read is , White Like Me - Reflections on Race from a Privileged Son by Tim Wise. IMHO anyway. :)]]>5/14/2008 2:41:23 PM2008-05-14T14:41:23+01:00257284http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q25<![CDATA[Fizz71 @ 5/14/2008 2:41:11 PM]]>« psycmoe : ad hoc ergo propter hoc, my favorite fallacy.Actually I think it's:
Cum hoc ergo propter hoc
...or is it...
Post hoc ergo propter hoc
...I had to go look that up. :) My Atinlay isn't very oodgay.

http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html
]]>5/14/2008 2:41:11 PM2008-05-14T14:41:11+01:00257282http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q24<![CDATA[JoshSF49 @ 5/14/2008 2:38:21 PM]]>« TraumaMamma : Here here!

I wish I could upvote you more!Me too ;)

Racism is typically defined by the media as whites against blacks....however there is such a thing as reverse discrimination and not nearly as newsworthy.
Right, which is what I find funny about the election is that people are claiming "racism" when whites don't vote for Obama, but when blacks don't vote for Hillary they're not racist OR sexist. I have hated this entire election talking about "blue collar workers," "blacks," "whites," "rich, white collar workers," and all these other demographics. It's as if these people can't vote for themselves, but are bound to their stereotypes.

I have never seen color or race when I look at a person and formulate my impression of them.

All we should ever see is people.
I agree.]]>5/14/2008 2:38:21 PM2008-05-14T14:38:21+01:00257280http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q23<![CDATA[doggylives @ 5/14/2008 2:37:38 PM]]>« TraumaMamma : Here here!

I wish I could upvote you more!

Racism is typically defined by the media as whites against blacks....however there is such a thing as reverse discrimination and not nearly as newsworthy.

I have never seen color or race when I look at a person and formulate my impression of them.

All we should ever see is people. Not disagreeing with ya just adding the point that there's really no such thing as "reverse discrimination", discrimination is plain and simple discrimination whoever it's against.

I totally agree with you that all should be treated equally but at the same time cultural differences shouldn't be ignored but should instead be embraced and tolerated]]>5/14/2008 2:37:38 PM2008-05-14T14:37:38+01:00257278http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q22<![CDATA[psycmoe @ 5/14/2008 2:34:54 PM]]>
Man, I'm starting to sound like a feminist or something. I'm gonna go... I dunno, be a porn star for an afternoon.]]>5/14/2008 2:34:54 PM2008-05-14T14:34:54+01:00257277http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q21<![CDATA[psycmoe @ 5/14/2008 2:33:41 PM]]>« JoshSF49 :
You should read "White Guilt" by Shelby Steele. It's an excellent book that goes against what you just said there. A color-blind society may hinder *race relations* in one way, but it accelerates race relations in an entirely different way.

We don't need to help *race relations* in that whites be friendly and unracist towards blacks. That's an awful way to look at it. We need to help *race relations* in that everyone works together, that we're void of race.Might pick it up.

What I mean to say is that most people seem to use "colour blindness" as a way to sweep any genuine discussion of race relations under the rug. Genuine colour blindness is a rare and wonderful thing.]]>5/14/2008 2:33:41 PM2008-05-14T14:33:41+01:00257276http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q20<![CDATA[psycmoe @ 5/14/2008 2:31:51 PM]]>« doggylives : White privilege is something that the majority of whites will argue against or ignore :D

Tim Wise makes some great points about white privilege in this video

-video-Some points, and some (talking about) overt racism. Or per'aps subversive? I couldn't hear him all the way through it. Semester end, brain overload. Don't take it personally.

Anywho, of course we'll argue or ignore it. It serves dominant culture, which allows us such privilege, to do so.]]>5/14/2008 2:31:51 PM2008-05-14T14:31:51+01:00257274http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q19<![CDATA[TraumaMamma @ 5/14/2008 2:28:07 PM]]>« JoshSF49:So? 80% of blacks vote for Obama because he's black. Racism isn't only whites against blacks, it's blacks against whites as well, and the Democratic campaign has been a particularly racist campaign.

However, the only way to stop racism is to stop identifying people by race. This means no affirmative action, no race questions on applications or surveys. We need to be color-blind. But instead we try to help the minorities, and it only leads to more racism.Here here!

I wish I could upvote you more!

Racism is typically defined by the media as whites against blacks....however there is such a thing as reverse discrimination and not nearly as newsworthy.

I have never seen color or race when I look at a person and formulate my impression of them.

All we should ever see is people.]]>5/14/2008 2:28:07 PM2008-05-14T14:28:07+01:00257273http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q18<![CDATA[JoshSF49 @ 5/14/2008 2:27:43 PM]]>« psycmoe : A couple thoughts that aren't necessarily arguments.

First, whites, especially white males, define dominant culture in a way that minorities do not. White privilege, do ya.Um, so? The majority of this country is white, thus it's not a shock to find out that a majority of the people defining culture are...white. It's a game of percentages, nothing else.

Second, race (like gender) is a socially instilled concept.
Because of questions on applications and surveys, and most importantly because of Affirmative Action.

Finally, until we stop socializing people to see race, having a colour-blind society only hinders race relations within a society.
You should read "White Guilt" by Shelby Steele. It's an excellent book that goes against what you just said there. A color-blind society may hinder *race relations* in one way, but it accelerates race relations in an entirely different way.

We don't need to help *race relations* in that whites be friendly and unracist towards blacks. That's an awful way to look at it. We need to help *race relations* in that everyone works together, that we're void of race.]]>5/14/2008 2:27:43 PM2008-05-14T14:27:43+01:00257270http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q17<![CDATA[doggylives @ 5/14/2008 2:23:19 PM]]>« psycmoe : A couple thoughts that aren't necessarily arguments.

First, whites, especially white males, define dominant culture in a way that minorities do not. White privilege, do ya.

Second, race (like gender) is a socially instilled concept.

Finally, until we stop socializing people to see race, having a colour-blind society only hinders race relations within a society. White privilege is something that the majority of whites will argue against or ignore :D

Tim Wise makes some great points about white privilege in this video

<a href='http://www.plime.com/redir.p?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3Xe1kX7Wsc' class='plime' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'><b>flash video</b></a>

]]>5/14/2008 2:23:19 PM2008-05-14T14:23:19+01:00257265http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q16<![CDATA[doggylives @ 5/14/2008 2:17:09 PM]]>« Fizz71 : Ummm..what did I miss?...that was a direct cut and paste...I didn't write it. I misread :) Too much vino lol. The point I was trying to make was that Dehumanization HAS lead to discrimination but that's what you said but I got confused, and, and , and never mind :)]]>5/14/2008 2:17:09 PM2008-05-14T14:17:09+01:00257263http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q15<![CDATA[psycmoe @ 5/14/2008 2:15:48 PM]]>« Fizz71 : I agree..and I find it laughable that people are down voting my comment. It's the study's methods and misguided path to the results that I mock, nothing more.

Some teacher or professor once told me this one line YEARS ago and this study reminded me of it... "If I find that 90% of the people who got the flu this year ate oranges, it doesn't mean that oranges are a leading cause of the flu"ad hoc ergo propter hoc, my favorite fallacy.]]>5/14/2008 2:15:48 PM2008-05-14T14:15:48+01:00257261http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q14<![CDATA[psycmoe @ 5/14/2008 2:14:19 PM]]>« JoshSF49 : So? 80% of blacks vote for Obama because he's black. Racism isn't only whites against blacks, it's blacks against whites as well, and the Democratic campaign has been a particularly racist campaign.

However, the only way to stop racism is to stop identifying people by race. This means no affirmative action, no race questions on applications or surveys. We need to be color-blind. But instead we try to help the minorities, and it only leads to more racism.A couple thoughts that aren't necessarily arguments.

First, whites, especially white males, define dominant culture in a way that minorities do not. White privilege, do ya.

Second, race (like gender) is a socially instilled concept.

Finally, until we stop socializing people to see race, having a colour-blind society only hinders race relations within a society.]]>5/14/2008 2:14:19 PM2008-05-14T14:14:19+01:00257260http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q13<![CDATA[Fizz71 @ 5/14/2008 2:13:29 PM]]>« Hypermdavis : It is important to understand how the mind comes to conclusions if we ever want to change for the better. It is important to understand so that we can move beyond these archaic ideas and on to other things like curing cancer. I see your point about how we should not be bothered because racism is BS, but it is also very real and affects all peoples lives.I agree..and I find it laughable that people are down voting my comment. It's the study's methods and misguided path to the results that I mock, nothing more.

Some teacher or professor once told me this one line YEARS ago and this study reminded me of it... "If I find that 90% of the people who got the flu this year ate oranges, it doesn't mean that oranges are a leading cause of the flu"]]>5/14/2008 2:13:29 PM2008-05-14T14:13:29+01:00257254http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q12<![CDATA[JoshSF49 @ 5/14/2008 2:05:52 PM]]>« DerAlt : Unfortunately racism is still alive and well in the US.

The NYTimes ran a story today on Hillary's victory in West Va. yesterday and reported some people openly admitted to being racist.

From the article:

"The number of white Democratic voters who said that race influenced their choice on Tuesday was among the highest recorded in voter surveys in the Clinton-Obama nomination fight. Two in 10 white West Virginia voters said that race was an important factor in their vote, and more than 8 in 10 of them backed Mrs. Clinton, according to surveys of voters leaving the polls."



Some racist looking stuff going on in Ol' Miss as well. Remains to be seen.

If 20% of the polled voters in West Virginia admit their vote is swayed by race what are the actual numbers there and in the rest of the country?So? 80% of blacks vote for Obama because he's black. Racism isn't only whites against blacks, it's blacks against whites as well, and the Democratic campaign has been a particularly racist campaign.

However, the only way to stop racism is to stop identifying people by race. This means no affirmative action, no race questions on applications or surveys. We need to be color-blind. But instead we try to help the minorities, and it only leads to more racism.]]>5/14/2008 2:05:52 PM2008-05-14T14:05:52+01:00257253http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q11<![CDATA[Fizz71 @ 5/14/2008 2:05:49 PM]]>« doggylives : Wrong way round, they are saying that the years of discrimination have lead to dehumanization, not the other way round.Ummm..what did I miss?...that was a direct cut and paste...I didn't write it.]]>5/14/2008 2:05:49 PM2008-05-14T14:05:49+01:00257251http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q10<![CDATA[Hypermdavis @ 5/14/2008 2:01:49 PM]]>« doggylives : Wrong way round, they are saying that the years of discrimination have lead to dehumanization, not the other way round.Good point. The idea that Africans were not human in the first place prompted them to be treated like animals and made slaves. Although, after that there were great efforts made to teach that African Americans were not human. The idea of the Brute comes to mind, a man so animal that he attacked and raped and killed. This idea was perpetuated so that people would not consider Black men human.]]>5/14/2008 2:01:49 PM2008-05-14T14:01:49+01:00257248http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q9<![CDATA[Hypermdavis @ 5/14/2008 1:57:56 PM]]>« Fizz71 : I'm not saying that racism doesn't still exist-- I'm just saying that the study blows. :) It was a waste of 6 years and IMO didn't prove the conclusion. Not to say the conclusion doesn't have merrit either..but it's a helluva jump from blury monkey to "Discrimination against blacks linked to dehumanization"It is important to understand how the mind comes to conclusions if we ever want to change for the better. It is important to understand so that we can move beyond these archaic ideas and on to other things like curing cancer. I see your point about how we should not be bothered because racism is BS, but it is also very real and affects all peoples lives.]]>5/14/2008 1:57:56 PM2008-05-14T13:57:56+01:00257243http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q8<![CDATA[doggylives @ 5/14/2008 1:51:28 PM]]>« Fizz71 : "Discrimination against blacks linked to dehumanization"Wrong way round, they are saying that the years of discrimination have lead to dehumanization, not the other way round.]]>5/14/2008 1:51:28 PM2008-05-14T13:51:28+01:00257242http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q7<![CDATA[vexingmodstwo @ 5/14/2008 1:51:17 PM]]>
But seriously, we've come a long way since the days of slavery. We still have a long way to go, too.]]>5/14/2008 1:51:17 PM2008-05-14T13:51:17+01:00257241http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q6<![CDATA[Fizz71 @ 5/14/2008 1:48:27 PM]]>5/14/2008 1:48:27 PM2008-05-14T13:48:27+01:00257234http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q5<![CDATA[doggylives @ 5/14/2008 1:38:32 PM]]>does raise a valid point.

If you lived in a predominantly white area with a black child, as I do, you'd soon see that racism is alive and well.]]>5/14/2008 1:38:32 PM2008-05-14T13:38:32+01:00257230http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q4<![CDATA[DerAlt @ 5/14/2008 1:34:47 PM]]>
The NYTimes ran a story today on Hillary's victory in West Va. yesterday and reported some people openly admitted to being racist.

From the article:

"The number of white Democratic voters who said that race influenced their choice on Tuesday was among the highest recorded in voter surveys in the Clinton-Obama nomination fight. Two in 10 white West Virginia voters said that race was an important factor in their vote, and more than 8 in 10 of them backed Mrs. Clinton, according to surveys of voters leaving the polls."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/14/us/politics/14dems.html?th&emc=th


Some racist looking stuff going on in Ol' Miss as well. Remains to be seen.

If 20% of the polled voters in West Virginia admit their vote is swayed by race what are the actual numbers there and in the rest of the country?]]>5/14/2008 1:34:47 PM2008-05-14T13:34:47+01:00257227http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q3<![CDATA[Fizz71 @ 5/14/2008 1:30:40 PM]]>
"researchers found subjects could identify blurry ape drawings much faster after they were primed with black faces than with white faces"

Could that maybe have something to do with the fact that monkeys have brown fur and black people have brown skin???!!! WTF!!

Take a bunch of black people and try flashing images of white people/black people then blurry furry pink bunnies and tell me they won't identify the bunny faster after being primed with a white person's face. Should I then say all black people think white people are nothing more than dyed rabbits?

Am I missing something? I'm sorry..some researchers need to get their heads out of their asses and find a cure for cancer instead.]]>5/14/2008 1:30:40 PM2008-05-14T13:30:40+01:00257216http://www.plime.com/plime-com/l/61814/1/xml_widget.rss#q2<![CDATA[doggylives @ 5/14/2008 1:14:54 PM]]>Jim Crow museum is a great site to look at the history of racist memorabilia and how black people have been depicted in mainstream media.]]>5/14/2008 1:14:54 PM2008-05-14T13:14:54+01:00