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« Mershaullk : Everyone always thinks they are right in the present. Why would you ever think something while simultaneously thinking it...]]>

2008-05-16T19:47:24+01:002008-05-16T19:47:24+01:00« Mershaullk : Everyone always thinks they are right in the present. Why would you ever think something while simultaneously thinking it's wrong?

I do realize that I am not always right, but that is only with hindsight.

That's the exact reason I reworded what I had said.Thats nice.]]>258944

« Nunkii : No, it was no insult. But you ALWAYS seem to think just because your opinion differs from someone else that you are ALWAYS right. Which...]]>

2008-05-16T18:13:42+01:002008-05-16T18:13:42+01:00« Nunkii : No, it was no insult. But you ALWAYS seem to think just because your opinion differs from someone else that you are ALWAYS right. Which, I have proven.Everyone always thinks they are right in the present. Why would you ever think something while simultaneously thinking it's wrong?

I do realize that I am not always right, but that is only with hindsight.

I never said the government had a right to choose, I said the families and friends did. Maybe you should reread?

That's the exact reason I reworded what I had said.]]>258943

« Mershaullk : Okay, then. The government has no right to tell anyone what they can and can't do with their body.

Was th...]]>

2008-05-16T18:08:21+01:002008-05-16T18:08:21+01:00« Mershaullk : Okay, then. The government has no right to tell anyone what they can and can't do with their body.

Was that some lame attempt at an insult? Are you insinuating that I don't help anyone in my life? I assure you, you are wrong.No, it was no insult. But you ALWAYS seem to think just because your opinion differs from someone else that you are ALWAYS right. Which, I have proven. I never said the government had a right to choose, I said the families and friends did. Maybe you should reread?

I'm done with the argument. Time for you to move on as well.]]>258894

« Nunkii : Emotional turmoil can be fixed, physical problems cannot. There is a difference. One day you feel like crap and the next you're fine. Y...]]>

2008-05-16T15:54:24+01:002008-05-16T15:54:24+01:00« Nunkii : Emotional turmoil can be fixed, physical problems cannot. There is a difference. One day you feel like crap and the next you're fine. You may try to justify it anyway you can, but its still wrong. Actually, I do have a right since I love and care about them. If they have a family to look after, I think its wrong. Theres so much more to life than just doing things for yourself.Okay, then. The government has no right to tell anyone what they can and can't do with their body.

Time to open your eyes and look around and think about how you can help someone else.

Was that some lame attempt at an insult? Are you insinuating that I don't help anyone in my life? I assure you, you are wrong.]]>258795

« Mershaullk:Of you're saying that he should have stayed in whatever emotional turmoil he was in just because you would feel bad if he didn...]]>

2008-05-16T13:09:19+01:002008-05-16T13:09:19+01:00« Mershaullk:Of you're saying that he should have stayed in whatever emotional turmoil he was in just because you would feel bad if he didn't, you're being selfish as well.

My argument still stands that it's their body, and they have every right to do whatever they want with it. No matter how selfish it may be. You have no right to choose what someone else can and can't do to themselves.Emotional turmoil can be fixed, physical problems cannot. There is a difference. One day you feel like crap and the next you're fine. You may try to justify it anyway you can, but its still wrong. Actually, I do have a right since I love and care about them. If they have a family to look after, I think its wrong. Theres so much more to life than just doing things for yourself.

Time to open your eyes and look around and think about how you can help someone else.]]>258608

« Nunkii :
I truly miss both of my friends. You will never know how life is not the same when you justify if people want to commit suicide ove...]]>

2008-05-16T07:39:19+01:002008-05-16T07:39:19+01:00« Nunkii :
I truly miss both of my friends. You will never know how life is not the same when you justify if people want to commit suicide over ANYTHING is okay and its their life and they may do whatever they want. In that aspect, you are wrong.Of you're saying that he should have stayed in whatever emotional turmoil he was in just because you would feel bad if he didn't, you're being selfish as well.

My argument still stands that it's their body, and they have every right to do whatever they want with it. No matter how selfish it may be. You have no right to choose what someone else can and can't do to themselves.]]>258566

« Mershaullk : Anyone who is against this or suicide in general just thinks that they know more than the person trying to do it. ...]]>

2008-05-16T03:28:44+01:002008-05-16T03:28:44+01:00« Mershaullk : Anyone who is against this or suicide in general just thinks that they know more than the person trying to do it. That they know what's better for them. To tell the truth, you might, but it's still their own body, and they should be able to do whatever they damn well please with it.In a way, you're right, but in another you're far from being right. Getting rid of yourself over things that CAN be fixed is not okay and yeah, it is selfish.

If you are terminally ill and theres no hope even when doing treatments, then I can understand. If you find a rut in your life, its not okay to just end it. Besides that, everyone has a responsibility and to just let it all go for something that trivial is selfish. People can't just move on if their friend or family outs themselves. I wish my two friends were still alive. Theres a difference in how they went.

John had a horrible motorcycle accident that left brain damage. Even before he could get something fixed, the blood clott killed him.

Patrick, whom I was friends with in highschool offed himself with a gun. The only thing people can see what went wrong is to go to depression. In a way, depression can be fixed. It is an inbalance of chemicals in the brain. He could've been taken care of.

I truly miss both of my friends. You will never know how life is not the same when you justify if people want to commit suicide over ANYTHING is okay and its their life and they may do whatever they want. In that aspect, you are wrong.]]>258506

« psycmoe : Don't worry. Neither do we.most of the time I don't get our nation.]]>

2008-05-16T00:23:41+01:002008-05-16T00:23:41+01:00« psycmoe : Don't worry. Neither do we.most of the time I don't get our nation.]]>258296

« chinook : I just don't get your nation sometimes.

Don't worry. Neither do we.]]>

2008-05-15T19:15:34+01:002008-05-15T19:15:34+01:00« chinook : I just don't get your nation sometimes.

Don't worry. Neither do we.]]>258294

My family went through something similar with my dad. It was horrible, and the lingering suffering is much, much worse because you just can't move on. All you can do is watch them wither. And if you DON'T devote yourse...]]>

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My family went through something similar with my dad. It was horrible, and the lingering suffering is much, much worse because you just can't move on. All you can do is watch them wither. And if you DON'T devote yourself to the care--even for a day or two--you feel guilty, particularly if you made 'me' time instead.]]>258271

« MeMe : I think I know what you're trying to say, but assisted suicide isn't for people who are depressed or are just 'over it', it's for termin...]]>

2008-05-15T18:36:16+01:002008-05-15T18:36:16+01:00« MeMe : I think I know what you're trying to say, but assisted suicide isn't for people who are depressed or are just 'over it', it's for terminally ill people, those who are in a vegetative state, basically, people who no longer have any quality of life. It scars those who love you to watch you suffer too.
I took Imnotyoo's quote out of context and focused just on suicide, not euthanasia, which is the subject of the discussion and the article. I apologize. My grandma was in a coma for the last three years of her life, which is hard enough to watch in and of itself, but my grandfather took every hour of every day to attend to her. That was brutal to watch.

To me she died as soon as she got in that coma, and I could not bring myself to cry at her funeral. In cases like this, I wish that she had the opportunity to die with, and I hate saying this, dignity. Even the pain that would have caused my grandfather would have been better than watching his mind and body atrophy with self-imposed social isolation.]]>258251

« MeMe : 
edit: oh... so that's what happens when you click your own arrow. I was wondering... I bet that's in the FAQs huh?<...]]>

2008-05-15T18:11:54+01:002008-05-15T18:11:54+01:00« MeMe : 
edit: oh... so that's what happens when you click your own arrow. I was wondering... I bet that's in the FAQs huh?Not a damn thing. And yeah, it's in the FAQ's.

The number on the arrow will change, but you don't impact your actual karma at all on your comments. It's possible, however; that others will follow through with some good old fashioned sheep mentality and follow your upvote lead. More likely, however, is that people will be like "Uh, why the heck are you upvoting yourself?"]]>258222

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but it doesn't really matter that suicide is illegal, only attempted suicide is punishable.]]>258170

« theshirtpocket : I agree. But committing suicide scars a lot more people than just yourself.Everyone dies eventually. Yes, it sucks ...]]>

2008-05-15T16:37:23+01:002008-05-15T16:37:23+01:00« theshirtpocket : I agree. But committing suicide scars a lot more people than just yourself.Everyone dies eventually. Yes, it sucks to lose someone you love to suicide, I've been though it many times, but if someone is old and in bad health, suicide might be the same as putting out of misery.

Everyone dies. If your in pain and your quality of life is null, you should have the right to decide when to die.]]>258155

« theshirtpocket:I agree. But committing suicide scars a lot more people than just yourself.I think I know what you're trying to say, but...]]>

2008-05-15T16:32:45+01:002008-05-15T16:32:45+01:00« theshirtpocket:I agree. But committing suicide scars a lot more people than just yourself.I think I know what you're trying to say, but assisted suicide isn't for people who are depressed or are just 'over it', it's for terminally ill people, those who are in a vegetative state, basically, people who no longer have any quality of life. It scars those who love you to watch you suffer too.

edit: oh... so that's what happens when you click your own arrow. I was wondering... I bet that's in the FAQs huh?]]>258154

« theshirtpocket : I agree. But committing suicide scars a lot more people than just yourself.I think there's a huge difference between &...]]>

2008-05-15T16:32:40+01:002008-05-15T16:32:40+01:00« theshirtpocket : I agree. But committing suicide scars a lot more people than just yourself.I think there's a huge difference between "normal" suicides and those that are physician-assisted.

The people I know who committed suicide were young and had long lives ahead of them. Someone opting for a physician-assisted suicide likely has a short, painful and perhaps unconscious life awaiting them. Euthanasia would allow the ill person's family and friends a chance to prepare and say goodbye.

Speaking from experience here, I think that it would be much less painful and scarring to watch someone you love kill his/herself with the aid of a physician than to watch them slowly, painfully fade away and knowing there is nothing you can do to help or comfort him/her.

And now I'm in tears.]]>258142

« Mershaullk : Anyone who is against this or suicide in general just thinks that they know more than the person trying to do it. That they kno...]]>

2008-05-15T16:27:59+01:002008-05-15T16:27:59+01:00« Mershaullk : Anyone who is against this or suicide in general just thinks that they know more than the person trying to do it. That they know what's better for them. To tell the truth, you might, but it's still their own body, and they should be able to do whatever they damn well please with it. Well said fine sir. Don't judge until you've been in a situation to judge. What is the saying? Don't judge until you've walked a mile in someone's shoes.

Well, if someone ends their life you can't walk very far in their figurative shoes, but you get my drift.]]>258127

« imnotyoo : You should be allowed to do whatever you wish so long as it does not harm others.I agree. But committing suicide scars a lot ...]]>

2008-05-15T16:20:29+01:002008-05-15T16:20:29+01:00« imnotyoo : You should be allowed to do whatever you wish so long as it does not harm others.I agree. But committing suicide scars a lot more people than just yourself.]]>258101

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or suicide in general just thinks that they know more than the person trying to do it. That they know what's better for them. To tell the truth, you might, but it's still their own body, and they should be able to do whate...]]>

2008-05-15T15:59:41+01:002008-05-15T15:59:41+01:00or suicide in general just thinks that they know more than the person trying to do it. That they know what's better for them. To tell the truth, you might, but it's still their own body, and they should be able to do whatever they damn well please with it.]]>258086

some people lives. :D

*shuffles off to make list*]]>

2008-05-15T15:58:01+01:002008-05-15T15:58:01+01:00some people lives. :D

*shuffles off to make list*]]>258081

The death penalty is supported by the government, but euthanasia is not.

I think euthanasia should be legal. I don't think we should force anyone with a terminal disease to suffer unnecessarily. ...]]>

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The death penalty is supported by the government, but euthanasia is not.

I think euthanasia should be legal. I don't think we should force anyone with a terminal disease to suffer unnecessarily. If you know that someone's pain will only get worse until his/her painful death, why not give that person the power to take that pain away and leave here on his/her own terms?]]>258080

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I disagree anyway. Too many people, I think, would end their lives when they would have otherwise regretted even considering it later on.

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Sorry I was more thinking of ...]]>

2008-05-15T14:47:34+01:002008-05-15T14:47:34+01:00
I disagree anyway. Too many people, I think, would end their lives when they would have otherwise regretted even considering it later on.

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Sorry I was more thinking of the assisted suicide of healthy people. I still don't agree with medically assisted suicide for myself if I was sick but its gray enough that I'm glad I don't have to make that decision for the courts.]]>258036

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