A cure for cancer- that you can't have Posted: 1 year ago by streetlight22be
A medicine has been found to kill breast, lung, and brain cancer cells without harming any surrounding normal cells in lab rats, by scientists in Canada. But the love of money is keeping it from being distributed.
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Posted: 1 year ago by nesbyniccolo:
Of course greed is stopping it do you know how much money they make on cancer a year alone!
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Posted: 1 year ago by joeyneutrino:
What wasn't mentioned is that lots of drugs are out of patent AND make manufacturers money. Example: aspirin. It's so old that it cannot be patented. Yet it's still in manufacture and is on the market. It's making money for someone. Otherwise no one would go to the expense of making it. There is an entire species of pharmaceutical companies which do no research of their own; all they do is wait for drugs to go out of patent, and then make it as a generic. So money can in principle be made from this drug as a cancer med even though it cannot be monopolized.
What's holding it from the market, then, is that it has yet to be clinically demonstrated on human subjects for this purpose, and that costs just TONS of money. So much, in fact, that a pharmaceutical company simply can NOT afford it without owning it exclusively for a period of time. So until it's demonstrated to the satisfaction of various nations' consumer-drug regulatory agencies, it won't be on the market as a legally prescribable cancer medicine, and until someone coughs up the cash for a definitive clinical trial, it'll never happen.
What would make sense is for numerous small pharma companies to form a consortium and chip in collectively. Then they could all reap the benefits once it's approved.
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Posted: 1 year ago by tundramonkey:
This video makes me rage!
Not about drug - but about the douchebag presenter who has no clue what he is talkign about. My god - this drug hasn't been proven safe; that's why it's not released. It has nothing to do with capitalism, especially considering it's developed in a place where almost all medical expenses are mostly or fully subsidized!!
As the doctor himself said - there is no guarantee, and it's not a miracle drug. It's not proven, either!! But as the doctor was talking, this yappy newscaster keeps interupting him! What an idiot! I want to reach into my screen and slap him!
And the newscaster 'told' the doctor that he, the doctor, had a hard time getting attention for this - I used to live in Edmonton; the instant he made this breakthrough it made front page of the paper there and the city has been following and supporting the research and clinical trials ever since.
http://www.expressnews.ualberta.ca/print.cfm?id=81... This is a link to the University of Alberta's news release on this.
Sorry for the rant, but I am raving mad at this lunatic who managed to become a newscaster.
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Posted: 1 year ago by tundramonkey:
« joeyneutrino :
What's holding it from the market, then, is that it has yet to be clinically demonstrated on human subjects for this purpose, and that costs just TONS of money. So much, in fact, that a pharmaceutical company simply can NOT afford it without owning it exclusively for a period of time. I believe they have just started human clinical trials, and it is mostly funded by government research grants (gotta love the oil revenues in Alberta at the moment!). I'm so mad at this newscaster!
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Posted: 1 year ago by Fizz71:
I hate media hype. These are the same type of jack-asses that publicize to get rid of wonderful drugs like "Vioxx" because of a RARE problem that couldn't even be proven as caused by Vioxx.
It's just media hype..they do it to get ratings.
They need to test the drug plain and simple...yes...a dying Cancer patient may want to volunteer themselves to test it, but that's still not proper testing. If they found out one year later that it cured cancer for 20% of the people tested but causes heart attacks to 95% percent they wouldn't be so quick to push it through!
..and DICHLOROACETATE (DCA) is already being used "for decades to treat children with inborn errors of metabolism due to mitochondrial diseases" Reference:
I hate the media.
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Posted: 1 year ago by joeyneutrino:
« tundramonkey : I : I believe they have just started human clinical trials, and it is mostly funded by government research grants (gotta love the oil revenues in Alberta at the moment!). Thanks. That makes sense.
« tundramonkey : I'm so mad at this newscaster! Indeed. The modern news industry has become like career politics: most of the positions are filled by those least qualified for them.
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Posted: 1 year ago by 2manyusernames:
yeah, and there is an engine that can run on water, and there is secret technology taken from the aliens of Roswell which allows for lifespans of 100's of years, and... etc etc.
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Posted: 1 year ago by pulsisx:
« Fizz71 : I hate media hype. These are the same type of jack-asses that publicize to get rid of wonderful drugs like "Vioxx" because of a RARE problem that couldn't even be proven as caused by Vioxx.
apparently no so rare to kill several people.
Hey who wants some Phen Phen?
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Posted: 1 year ago by lifetrip:
The reason they are so interested in this is because of the basic way cancer works ... it shuts down the mitochondria so that apoptosis cant occur what DCA does is turns on the mitochondria so the cell commits suicide or apoptosis ... DCA is very promising because there arent many side effects and the ones that do occur have been found to disappear after discontinuing the treatment ... the bad part about this is the funding issue because people have taken it into there own hands to get Dichloroacetate Acid which is not DCA ... DCA is made by chemists that know how to properly add sodium to cut the Acid out and thus making DCA ... theres a site called that has a lot of information for anyone that is interested ... an f**k THE MEDIA just for good measure.
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Posted: 1 year ago by drumingspz:
Gotta love Glenn Beck. That guy is hilarious.
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Posted: 1 year ago by Fizz71:
« pulsisx : apparently no so rare to kill several people.
Hey who wants some Phen Phen? From what I got out of the hearings it was never proved that the drug caused any of it. People die every day..whether they're on pharmaceuticals or not. Yes if you cram tons of vioxx down a rat's throat you'll kill it, but vioxx's best use was short term post surgery under a doctor’s supervision...but now..NOBODY can use it.
And do you know who REALLY pays for it? Americans. Because companies like Merk invest MILLIONS in drug research and testing and when a drug like Vioxx gets yanked they continue to be justified in the high pricing of other meds to make up the loss. And since us Americans pay for our own meds..we get screwed. And I honestly believe that media panic like this ass uses is part of the problem, not the solution.
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Posted: 1 year ago by pulsisx:
« Fizz71 :
Because companies like Merk invest MILLIONS in drug research and testing and when a drug like Vioxx gets yanked they continue to be justified in the high pricing of other meds to make up the loss. Fizz have you noticed that all corporations, not just drug companies, are far more concerned about profits than anything else including human life and the society in general? Drug companies are going to charge what they can for any medicine they develop because they want to make the share holders some money. Anything they can present to the public that makes this seems reasonable will be part of their campaigns. From what I remember about the vioxx trial it seems that it was rushed through the FDA, and that Merk had evidence that it caused heart damage in lab animals that they suppressed. Which was the reason this went to trail.
They pushed to release a potentially dangerous drug out to the public so they could make a fortune off it and they got burned. Obviously it wasn't any of your relatives that suddenly had a heart attack and died, but what if it was?
We are all guinea pigs especially in the US. The FDA clears drugs when the check clears not when they determine its "safe". Hey do you know if there are any side effects from GMO foods? or if there is a connection between the aluminum deposits found in Alzheimer victims' brains and the aluminum in anti-persperant everyone jams into their skin?
The governmet and corporations don't care about you they care about your money.
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Posted: 1 year ago by Fizz71:
« pulsisx : Fizz have you noticed that all corporations, not just drug companies, are far more concerned about profits than anything else including human life and the society in general? Drug companies are going to charge what they can for any medicine they develop because they want to make the share holders some money. Anything they can present to the public that makes this seems reasonable will be part of their campaigns. From what I remember about the vioxx trial it seems that it was rushed through the FDA, and that Merk had evidence that it caused heart damage in lab animals that they suppressed. Which was the reason this went to trail.
They pushed to release a potentially dangerous drug out to the public so they could make a fortune off it and they got burned. Obviously it wasn't any of your relatives that suddenly had a heart attack and died, but what if it was?
We are all guinea pigs especially in the US. The FDA clears drugs when the check clears not when they determine its "safe". Hey do you know if there are any side effects from GMO foods? or if there is a connection between the aluminum deposits found in Alzheimer victims' brains and the aluminum in anti-persperant everyone jams into their skin?
The governmet and corporations don't care about you they care about your money. And then the real question is...does this jasckass (the news guys) make it better or worse?
I have relatives that work at Merk and I know they are about money, BUT..YOU see a report and say this: "Merk had evidence that it caused heart damage in lab animals that they suppressed"..which is why I said this first: "Yes if you cram tons of vioxx down a rat's throat you'll kill it" ..the point of that being that we'll never know why they supressed it...was it because they are the evil drug company we think they are (and the media tells us they are)? ..or was it because the test was far beyond "worse case" and not relevant. The bottom line is that when used appropriately Vioxx was a great drug...but we'll never know the truth about all of it. Then you get idiots like this news guy that just promote distrust and stupdity from unjustifiable means.
He'll complain that testing wasn't good enough for Vioxx and the drug company pushed it through because they don't care about the community...then this drug comes along and he complains they are doing too much testing just to stall because they don't care about the communinty. There is no winning with this ass.
Believe me..I don't trust drug companies..I know they're out to make money..but THEY know that if a drug has serious problems it will eventually come and out kill them too...so why would they even risk it? In this case they obviously felt it was not going to be an issue..but the media helped make it one. And BTW...I was taking Vioxx when they yanked it...and I continued to take it until I ran out.
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Posted: 1 year ago by pulsisx:
I am in 100% agreement with you that that announcer is a complete assnut. He is paid to be a assface. You are right.
Also you are correct about me being led astray by the miniscule information I absorbed through the media. I never saw the study and having actually read other studies and watched as their findings were hacked for maximum headline horror and completely misrepresented I should have known better. Instead I gulped it right down.
Beyond all this though why would vioxx be pulled if there was not a statistically significant chance that it was what caused the heart attacks? It was a billion dollor baby for merk. I don't think they would just let it go if they had any chance of showing that those peopel died for some other reason.
Finally, I am sorry that you lost access to a med that worked for you. That sucks. The only sinus meds that worked for my wife was yanked from the shelves because crank fiends cook it up to make meth. So no you can't buy it.
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Posted: 1 year ago by Fizz71:
« pulsisx : I am in 100% agreement with you that that announcer is a complete assnut. He is paid to be a assface. You are right.
Also you are correct about me being led astray by the miniscule information I absorbed through the media. I never saw the study and having actually read other studies and watched as their findings were hacked for maximum headline horror and completely misrepresented I should have known better. Instead I gulped it right down.
Beyond all this though why would vioxx be pulled if there was not a statistically significant chance that it was what caused the heart attacks? It was a billion dollor baby for merk. I don't think they would just let it go if they had any chance of showing that those peopel died for some other reason.
Finally, I am sorry that you lost access to a med that worked for you. That sucks. The only sinus meds that worked for my wife was yanked from the shelves because crank fiends cook it up to make meth. So no you can't buy it. Once the media made the world see Vioxx as evil Merck isn't going to try to push it--at some point it's cheaper to cut and run. I don't know if that's what they did here or not since none of us will ever know the truth. Although they did kick around re-releasing it with the new findings. :) The bottom line IMO is Vioxx got yanked because of its bad publicity and media numb-nuts. We all know that court room proceedings and outcomes are never fully disclosed and aren't always an accurate representation of the truth..and if you don't believe me..ask O.J. Simpson..he's probably golfing today.
I could also believe that the long term effect of Vioxx might not be good...but when I was taking it, it was only "as needed"..not every day, 3 times a day. It was for pain..not a daily "Maintenance Drug"..it was also good for post surgery recovery. I think I took it once or twice a month tops.
The clinical trial that they used to conclude the danger of Vioxx showed only an increase in risk after 18 months of use!! No increase at less than 18 months AT ALL....I don't believe the folks that died were on it anywhere NEAR that long which is why Merck insisted it wasn't the drug that caused it. But did you know that study took 3 years to complete, only recently came out, and only showed risk at 18 months of use? ..probably not because most of the media held that part back!
Instead of us just understanding that you can't take it constantly for long term..like many other meds..we blew our tops and collectively said "Vioxx is a killer and Merck is evil". Merck isn't going to fight that...they would lose more on ongoing lawsuits than they would gain selling the drug. How much they spent in the past was irrelevant.
We'll never really know the truth, we only know what the media tells us and let me tell you..as a former employee at a nuclear facility I've seen first hand what wicked webs they spin to sell a story. From your comment you obviously have as well.
The latest one that made me laugh was the one about cell phones being dangerous to use in a lighting storm. The news broke in with a 5 second "preview"..."Your cell phone could make you at greater risk of being fatally struck by lightening..tune in at 10 for more"....Ugh. The metal in a cell phone makes a lightening strike on your body more likely to be fatal..but it doesn't make you more likely to be struck..but that headline reads both ways now doesn't it! And if you don't take the time to find the rest of the story you'll spend the rest of your life afraid to use your cell phone in the rain.
What was the headline back then? "Vioxx found to cause an increase risk of a heart attack..tune in at 10 for more"
I said it before and I'll say it again..I hate the media!
And I'm sorry about your wife's meds being pulled as well..you have a better reason to btch than me. :)
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