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It is also rude to down vote a reasonable if less than tactful post.
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I love how people talk about speculators like they are some mysterious and un-understood entity...
Who ARE these "speculators" you might ask??? The same hedge funds, and mega rich who started to take a dump in the mortgage meltdown. The smart money ALWAYS runs to something hard, and what could be harder than oil during peak driving season? So far as ANWAR is concerned the most liberal (I'm not talking political philosophy) estimations say we could reduce our oil import by 10% from ANWAR and deep offshore COMBINED. We would be getting a trickle out of Alaska.
I'm not against the drilling, I just don't see it as a panacea. So far as Obama goes, I think this country is in a sad state if people for a perfectly legitimate reason are labeled racist for not liking him. I don't see him as a panacea either, and I think without the Clinton political machine the best he can achieve is that of an ineffectual president. You know when you see someone like McCain throwing around populist rhetoric that the smart money is as we speak moving offshore for the next 4 years no matter WHO is elected president.
Our current problem with oil is that in the wake of 2 wars we have lost the political will to twist the arms we need to twist to keep the price down. It doesn't help that we have a rich boy oil man who isn't crying himself to sleep at night over the current price either. The truth is, if we had the political will, and the moral authority, we could lean on the Saudis to pump more oil. If we put a few crusiers and an aircraft carrier in the western Caribbean we could get Chavez to sell cheaper. All it would take for the Saudis is to tell them that we were going to LEAVE Iraq and Shi'ite Iran would be lobbing missles at them from Baghdad within 2 weeks. Hell, since we have Israel as our (perceived)bought and paid (and lobbied) for lapdog we could just tell the Saudis that we are dropping the leash. Within a year we could be buying our oil from Israel. The best we can hope from from an Obama presidency is a small redistribution of wealth among the 1%, tighter CAFE, major forces out of Iraq by fall of next year, a continuation of fighting (or surge) in Afghanistan, and a possible intervention in Zimbabwe. Oh and HUGE government, and mind boggling bureacracy, and the goodwill of the world for electing a black man with a muslim sounding name. The best we can hope from from McCain is a minor draw down in Iraq sometime next year, an escalation in Afghanistan, the status Quo so far as taxes, and the venom another old white dude in the White House will bring from the world. George Soros recently stated that there is a dynamic shift in world capital happening right NOW and I doubt either president will be able to turn the tide. I'd rather have the president that will most likely use the only resource we have left (our war machine) to bully and cajole the last drops of black gold out of all of the weak little piss ant nations of the world. We should drop out of the UN, and go balls out in our quest for the last BTU's left. The rest of the world is already doing it, and we are going to hell in a hand basket with this climate change thing anyway, I for one don't want to go as a pauper.]]>
However the high cost of oil is not the entire problem. Our dependency on foreign oil is also part of the problem. We refuse to allow oil companies to get some of our domestic oil, than threaten to sue OPEC to sell us more of theirs. That is ballsy.
On one hand it may take 10 years to get oil once we start drilling, but at least we'd have oil. Wasn't it 12 years ago that Clinton veto'd drilling in that teeny tiny infinitesimal small percentage of ANWAR. We'd have that oil today.
Also it was 1990 or so that Bush sr. said no to offshore drilling along Florida coast. Again, we'd have that today (instead of other countries that will be drilling off Florida's coast)
on another note, people say we shouldn't bother to drill because it will be 10 years before we get oil yet are willing to destroy the economy today because of an unproven belief that man is primarily responsible for global warming which will harm human life 100's of years from now.
Remember, a large part of the high cost is speculators. Just the announcement of drilling in Anwar, offshore, and perhaps seeking shale oil would have a great chance of lowering prices because of the reaction from the market.
Again, it doesn't matter if oil dropped right away or not. The decrease in dependency is vital.
All that being said, even more important is an increase in refinery capacity. Again, congress has to get off their butts and allow more refineries to be built.
McCain is also right in that we need to increase our use of nuclear power.
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Getting back to the thread, I don't like either candidate. I would be willing to bet that Obama will win though. His breaking of his promise and history-setting announcement that he won't accept public financing (and the limits that go along with that) and instead will open the floodgates to any and all special interests (if McCain or even Hilary had done that, they would have been skewered alive, but there is a double standard) will ensure that Obama will have several times more money to spend than McCain will.
Combine that with everyone being afraid to attack Obama, because the media and public will and has labeled anyone who doesn't like Obama for perfectly valid reasons, a racist or bigot and you have what will probably be a cakewalk for Obama to win.]]>
Gotta stick with Obama.. my comp wont play the videos on that site :-( but I know Obama is opposed to it and Mccain for it.. Either way it'd take until they were out of office to even start the drilling
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I think spam just meant that he wouldn't think that you would have any problem with bumping a thread about boobs...and he wouldn't either. <--insert winky here]]>
But enough thread jacking; anarchy dictates that I get out of this thread.
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Also: if this thread is still valid, doesnt that mean that the boobs thread will not be valid only when boobs will not be interesting any longer? (I hope this sentence means what I think I intended)
I think the difference is that one of these is relevent, and the other is an old joke that died off a while back. But whatever, I'm not trying to be a 'bump this, dont bump that' dictator; I just think that bumping several old threads that hadn't been touched in a long while is pointless as well as a bit frustrating.]]>Also: if this thread is still valid, doesnt that mean that the boobs thread will not be valid only when boobs will not be interesting any longer? (I hope this sentence means what I think I intended)
I should have posted this comment in the boobs thread.I think I completely understand why you didnt. I wouldnt have either.
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I should have posted this comment in the boobs thread.]]>
I imagine there will be a boom in business for our border towns if he's elected. Now, I'm off to buy some copper tubing....How do you feel about prohibition politics? Do you think they'll ever ban the booze? Heck, Canada has already done it.]]>
I imagine there will be a boom in business for our border towns if he's elected. Now, I'm off to buy some copper tubing....]]>
you know me, I am this necrolineafil)Well mine did, because poor Gravel never stood a chance. I think Obama is a pretty good alternative.]]>
It confused the hell out of me though. At first I thought there was some crazy glitch. I thought I had somehow gotten logged in as you. I didn't know what was happening. And then it hit me. And it sunk in. And then "crap!"]]>
Edit: I'm sorry. I think I clicked "edit" instead of "quote". I'm sorry. -imnotyooHaha. Yeah, this didn't sound like what I wrote.]]>
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