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WTF? So the father gets off with nothing? Yeah, that's fair.]]>http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/politics

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<![CDATA[gavin7103 @ 1/14/2008 2:07:21 PM]]>« abandonedcouch : Kudos to you for doing what I couldn't. Good luck with your pregnancy!

I agree that it depends on the individual. I was, at the time, a hopelessly immature girl with a mess of a life and a bit of a cocaine and alcohol problem. It's hard now, taking pictures of adorable little kids and their doting parents for a living and thinking about what I gave up. But I also get the poor girls stuck with a**hole guys who've knocked them up and you can actually see the resentment between them and for their child in their family pictures. I definitely want children some day, but seeing situations like that make me glad that I ended mine when I did.Yes,and it will all work out when the time is right, and at least you will know that your child will be happy and stable when you do decide to have children. Its such a touchy subject that sometimes people are too judgmental about, but more power to you for making your own decisions for yourself that you know is right for YOU, and not because people were pressuring you to do something you knew wasent right at the time.]]>http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q23http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q23politics <![CDATA[Hypermdavis @ 1/14/2008 8:24:08 AM]]>http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q22http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q22politics <![CDATA[abandonedcouch @ 1/14/2008 2:01:14 AM]]>« gavin7103: I was thinking about ending my own pregnancy at 9 weeks but could not do it after I saw my little guy wiggling around, which now leaves me 22 weeks pregnant with a boy.Kudos to you for doing what I couldn't. Good luck with your pregnancy!

I agree that it depends on the individual. I was, at the time, a hopelessly immature girl with a mess of a life and a bit of a cocaine and alcohol problem. It's hard now, taking pictures of adorable little kids and their doting parents for a living and thinking about what I gave up. But I also get the poor girls stuck with a**hole guys who've knocked them up and you can actually see the resentment between them and for their child in their family pictures. I definitely want children some day, but seeing situations like that make me glad that I ended mine when I did.]]>http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q21http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q21politics <![CDATA[gavin7103 @ 1/13/2008 11:24:39 PM]]>http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q20http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q20politics <![CDATA[RowanGrey @ 1/13/2008 9:12:24 PM]]>« TraumaMamma : But but describing it as such, you have already made it not human, a vegetable and a bunch of cells.

I ain't questioning why you made your choice, I can't cast stones.I'm not sure I'm getting your point, here. My opinion of a fetus's status does not change the fact that this law is a farce.]]>http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q19http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q19politics <![CDATA[TraumaMamma @ 1/13/2008 8:45:38 PM]]>« abandonedcouch : Looking at the ultrasound is my second biggest regret, the first one being that I put myself in that position through my own carelessness. I believe that what I did was the best choice for me at the time, but it's true...you NEVER forget. And it's why March is the hardest month of the year for me.

Hugs to all the Plimettes who've had to make the same decision.It's true. You never forget. Ironically March is my month as well.

(((((((((((hugs))))))))))))]]>http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q18http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q18politics <![CDATA[abandonedcouch @ 1/13/2008 8:43:14 PM]]>
Hugs to all the Plimettes who've had to make the same decision.]]>http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q17http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q17politics <![CDATA[TraumaMamma @ 1/13/2008 8:42:44 PM]]>« RowanGrey : However, no amount of lima beany fetus blob would have convinced me NOT to terminate the pregnancy. I'm not that easily swayed, thankfully.
But but describing it as such, you have already made it not human, a vegetable and a bunch of cells.

I ain't questioning why you made your choice, I can't cast stones.]]>http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q16http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q16politics <![CDATA[TraumaMamma @ 1/13/2008 8:22:40 PM]]>« iamtoni78 :

(if you want to know why i did it, ask, I will answer. i regret it these days, and go over what I did daily...its one of those things you NEVER forget)Me too, chickie.]]>http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q15http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q15politics <![CDATA[RowanGrey @ 1/13/2008 8:08:25 PM]]>However, forcing pregnant women to have an ultrasound and forcing the medical staff to show her the image is just stupid, in my opinion. It is a cheap trick attempting to prey on a pregnant woman's hormonal status to convince her that she's a bad person and a potential murderer. Hogwash.]]>http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q14http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q14politics <![CDATA[iamtoni78 @ 1/13/2008 7:48:01 PM]]>
They did an ultrasound before they did it, and didn't show it to me. I actually wanted to see, but they wouldn't let you watch. Weird to me. I had it done, it hurt like heck, then it was over with. I wonder if they would have actually let me see the ultrasound would I have changed my mind. I think I would have, of course, then they would have been out their 400$. I figured they didn't show people because of loosing the money just in case someone changed their mind.

(if you want to know why i did it, ask, I will answer. i regret it these days, and go over what I did daily...its one of those things you NEVER forget)]]>http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q13http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q13politics <![CDATA[pulsisx @ 1/13/2008 7:30:22 PM]]>
The most disgusting side of the conservative politicians that want to end abortion is that they are usually the same that slash the human services budgets that would be used in places like orphanages.

hypocrits!]]>http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q12http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q12politics <![CDATA[skyewr @ 1/13/2008 6:58:56 PM]]>http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q11http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q11politics <![CDATA[TraumaMamma @ 1/13/2008 6:58:20 PM]]>
I agree with having the father there as well to view it, but I also know alot of fathers who don't even know about the choices the woman makes for them. (they don't even tell him they are pregnant)

We shouldn't lump all men together in a box and say they are all escaping the video.

Furthermore, I don't think anyone should not think of it as anything other than extra tissue to be extracted out. It is a life. No matter how early.

Just like consumers view beef in cellophane and not as the the animal that was alive before it was slaughtered, so must we realize that it is a life and a procedure to not take lightly. But women do not think of it is a baby and they need to.

I can say this with 100% conviction as I was on medication that would cause severe birth defects when I was pregnant 20 yrs ago, with my first husband. The child would have been between my two oldest....an adult now.....around 20 yrs old.

My HUSBAND and I chose to terminate the pregnancy. The procedure was cold and I was in much mental anguish wondering if I was doing the right thing. It was painful (although it was in the first trimester) and I prayed asking for forgiveness and to make it painless for the baby. I remember looking at the containers which were covered to prevent me from seeing what was extracted, but I could still see red flowing out of the suction tubing. My husband was not even allowed in there WITH me for support. How wrong is that?

*IF* I would have been asked to watch a video, I may have that child now, and maybe it would have been normal. I always think about that child, not knowing what it was, if I made the right choice and being there at the time of its death. I still feel like a murderer. I regret not letting nature give me whatever that child turned out to be.

A man cannot drag you in and make you have an abortion. Ultimately is is the womans choice. I think they need to see it.

Even though I did not reduce my pregnancy to a lump of cells, I did delude myself into the fact that maybe it wasn't normal or fit to live.

It was never my decision to make and even after twenty yrs I still regret it.]]>http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q10http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q10politics <![CDATA[craziesean @ 1/13/2008 6:52:10 PM]]>http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q9http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q9politics <![CDATA[shoestix @ 1/13/2008 6:40:48 PM]]>http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q8http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q8politics <![CDATA[2manyusernames @ 1/13/2008 6:18:58 PM]]>« tundramonkey : Kentucky May Require Women to View Ultrasounds Pri...

"The woman still would have the right to avert her eyes under this legislation. There's nothing that would require her to actually look at the ultrasound image."

WTF? So the father gets off with nothing? Yeah, that's fair.Pure and simple,
Because the father can't choose to have or not to have an abortion. The father has no say in the matter so having him look at the image would accomplish nothing and could even cause problems.

It is a silly and stupid law. You have to be shown the image, but you don't have to look. Just causes more grief and more expense all around.

Also in instances where the mother's life is in jeopardy or rape, than she should not be asked to look at the image.]]>http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q7http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q7politics <![CDATA[Vanillla @ 1/13/2008 6:06:06 PM]]>http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q6http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q6politics <![CDATA[muppet @ 1/13/2008 5:16:31 PM]]>« tundramonkey : So may we equip all women with machetes and gigantic guns so they don't have to go through this biased, unfair guilt trip just because they were raped?

I cannot believe these people want to force women to watch the ultrasound (oh, wait, they still have the 'right to avert their eyes'), and yet express no desire to force the owner of the guilty penis to do the same.

Scarier still is the fact that under this proposed law any doctor who does not comply would be fined.i was watching a documentary about abortions, and i think there are already a few places that require a woman to view ultrasounds before she can have an abortion.

Apparently "Eight states Alabama, Arkansas, Indiana, Michigan, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Utah and Wisconsin require an ultrasound before an abortion and that the ultrasound be made available to the mother."

source]]>http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q5http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q5politics <![CDATA[tundramonkey @ 1/13/2008 5:16:12 PM]]>« ieldanth : One thing though...

...other than in the case of rape, why make the guy go through this when he had no say in whether or not the abortion took place? I suspect that if the father was at all concerned for the the welfare of his child and it's mother, he'd likely voice his opinion and offer support. I'm not saying that this is true all of the time, but if a man does not wish his wife/girlfriend/one-night-stand to have an abortion and he offered his support, she'd be much less inclined to have an abortion in the first place.

If a guy buggers off thinking 'it's not my body, it's not my problem' - then why should this government-endorsed guilt trip lie explicitly on the mother?

« ieldanth :If it was because of rape, I doubt he cares.

Problem 2: find him. If you have him, why is he allowed anywhere near his victim?

I didn't say he had to be in the room with her watching it. It could be recorded and shown after, or on a separate screen in a different room. If she has to see it, he should too. And then his penis should be slowly cut off with a dull, dirty and rusty knife.]]>http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q4http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q4politics <![CDATA[ieldanth @ 1/13/2008 4:58:34 PM]]>

...other than in the case of rape, why make the guy go through this when he had no say in whether or not the abortion took place?

If it was because of rape, I doubt he cares.

Problem 2: find him. If you have him, why is he allowed anywhere near his victim?]]>http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q3http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q3politics <![CDATA[tundramonkey @ 1/13/2008 4:48:58 PM]]>
I cannot believe these people want to force women to watch the ultrasound (oh, wait, they still have the 'right to avert their eyes'), and yet express no desire to force the owner of the guilty penis to do the same.

Scarier still is the fact that under this proposed law any doctor who does not comply would be fined.]]>http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q2http://www.plime.com/politics/l/47101/1/rss2_0.rss#q2politics