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Plan would sidestep Electoral College
If John R. Koza gets his way, American voters will never again have to wonder about the workings of the Electoral College and why it decides who sits in the White House. picked by dollyllama 9 months ago
tags election popular vote electoral colleges voting
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 2manyuse...
9 months ago
some more info can be found here when it was just Maryland that had signed on board the "National Popular Vote"

I am not convinced one way or the other. Both have their pluses and minuses. A system other than the electoral college does sound like it would be a good change now.

Such a system made more sense when it was enacted but times have changed. People have changed, they are more informed (well some of them). It is easier for people to be fully aware of the people running for office.
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 chinook
9 months ago
There's been discussions of adopting a similar system of representation by proportion here, though I think our current system of rep by pop is better suited for us.

I agree with 2manyusernames that western society is more informed and educated now. In an era where everyone is capable of making informed decisions, to me it seems only logical that each vote be valued equally.
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 irishdru...
9 months ago
All I have to say is thank god someone is finally looking into this.
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 tundramo...
9 months ago
"We're just coming along and saying, 'Why not add up the votes of all 50 states and award the electoral votes to the 50-state winner?'" said Koza, chairman of National Popular Vote Inc. "I think that the candidate who gets the most votes should win the office."
I didn't know that your system doesn't function this way. A few things make alot more sense now.
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 1thirtee...
9 months ago
« 2manyusernames : some more info can be found here when it was just Maryland that had signed on board the "National Popular Vote"

I am not convinced one way or the other. Both have their pluses and minuses. A system other than the electoral college does sound like it would be a good change now.

Such a system made more sense when it was enacted but times have changed. People have changed, they are more informed (well some of them). It is easier for people to be fully aware of the people running for office.
The founder's intent was not just because people weren't informed, it was because they wanted to remove the actual vote as far away from the general population as possible. See, with a popular vote, the majority can rule the minority. With the way it is now, it keeps that from happening.
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 buddha
9 months ago
If they get rid of it, I may actually vote, since then my vote will actually count.
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 germz
9 months ago
after long thought I realized that the electoral college does worse then good.

assuming that the people don't know the canidates well enough to make an informed decision upon matters that effect them was the reason why it was set up right?

edit: lawl nvm
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 gammerus
9 months ago
« 1thirteen3 With the way it is now, it keeps that from happening.
You watched the movie didn't you? This is how we keep our govt in check, there is no justice when the few can decide what is right for the majority.
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 eLJay
9 months ago
I say the next presidential election should be done in the form of a reality show. Each party must live in a house--not the white house that is the goal. No this house is low to middle income. They must live on a normal humans salary, they will have to endure welfare, social security, medicare, and so on. Each week we will vote for the person who we want to be our next President. A lot more people would vote.
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 germz
9 months ago
if you could call in your vote there would actually be a race
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 tundramo...
9 months ago
« eLJay : I say the next presidential election should be done in the form of a reality show. Each party must live in a house--not the white house that is the goal. No this house is low to middle income. They must live on a normal humans salary, they will have to endure welfare, social security, medicare, and so on. Each week we will vote for the person who we want to be our next President. A lot more people would vote.
That's the funniest thing I've heard!

Just don't tell Fox - with this writers strike and all, I wouldn't be surprised if....
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 eLJay
9 months ago
« tundramonkey : That's the funniest thing I've heard!

Just don't tell Fox - with this writers strike and all, I wouldn't be surprised if....
Oh I know, but you all heard it hear first! Remember the source!
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 irishdru...
9 months ago
« germz : if you could call in your vote there would actually be a race
Yeah if they upped the ante a bit to a text in your vote scenario we would probably have the best voter turn out in history.
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 1thirtee...
9 months ago
« gammerus : You watched the movie didn't you? This is how we keep our govt in check, there is no justice when the few can decide what is right for the majority.
One of the ways we keep the government in check is through the electoral college. The electoral college is not made up of senators or congressmen, it's made up of ordinary citizens.

It's not the few deciding what's right for the majority, it's keeping the majority from ruling over the minority.
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 cb__
9 months ago
I'd be happy if they just did away with the Super Delegate concept. No representative of the people should be allowed to cast his or her vote in direct conflict with the will of those people, and under this system it could absolutely happen. Legally and binding..ly.
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 Mershaul...
9 months ago
« 1thirteen3 : It's not the few deciding what's right for the majority, it's keeping the majority from ruling over the minority.
Wait...

Isn't that how a democracy works? The majority rules over the minority?
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 gammerus
9 months ago
« Mershaullk : Wait...

Isn't that how a democracy works? The majority rules over the minority?
There is a recent video floating around making democracy seem the plague. It talks about how we are a republic and not a democracy (which is true)... many seem to take this too literally.
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 gammerus
9 months ago
« 1thirteen3:It's not the few deciding what's right for the majority, it's keeping the majority from ruling over the minority.
yes it is. It is a few delgates deciding who should be elected based off a poll number.(IE populor vote) It is one thing to avoid mob rule, it is something entirely different to allow someone to be elected based off of individual states rather than an entire country.


This is not letting anyone step over anyones rights, this is allowing everyones voice to be heard in our presidential election.

$5 says you voted for Paul
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 1thirtee...
9 months ago
« gammerus : yes it is. It is a few delgates deciding who should be elected based off a poll number.(IE populor vote) It is one thing to avoid mob rule, it is something entirely different to allow someone to be elected based off of individual states rather than an entire country.


This is not letting anyone step over anyones rights, this is allowing everyones voice to be heard in our presidential election.

$5 says you voted for Paul
The Electoral College is *almost* a popular vote thing, and those who cast the electoral college votes cast it based on the popular vote in their state. Electoral College votes are based on population. It's supposed to give each state some power that it wouldn't otherwise have

Again, with a straight democratic vote, the majority can then RULE over the minority. The Electoral College is put in place to prevent that.

Yes, I voted for Paul, but considering how the only link I've put up is one about him, it shouldn't have been that hard to guess.

I don't see why everyone wants to do away with the very document that made us the country we are.
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 gammerus
9 months ago
« 1thirteen3:The Electoral College is *almost* a popular vote thing, and those who cast the electoral college votes cast it based on the popular vote in their state. Electoral College votes are based on population. It's supposed to give each state some power that it wouldn't otherwise have

Again, with a straight democratic vote, the majority can then RULE over the minority. The Electoral College is put in place to prevent that.

Yes, I voted for Paul, but considering how the only link I've put up is one about him, it shouldn't have been that hard to guess.

I don't see why everyone wants to do away with the very document that made us the country we are.
Oh dear, you are one of those…. I figured you were a paulite before I looked up your profile, I belong to a Paul meetup group and you sound like many of the members I know. I don't really want to argue this because I have done it a lot in the past to no avail. I understand your point, I have read the same things, and watched the same videos... but I must respectively disagree with your view point on this subject..
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