Oh good, maybe he can stay there.

And become the overlord of Africa!

Didn't just the other day you say you were "open minded" enough to accept good news? Seems like even good news, is a chance to be snarky.

Hmmm.

And the good news is????

A ton of money to fight aids but lots of strings attached like no condoms.

The guy and his policies are a disaster and photo ops like this one don't change that.

It's not snarky but it is wishful thinking.

I find it hard to believe that the Africans out there celebrating their medical funding to help fight malaria and HIV, were part of a photo op.

Fact is, not everything has been very bad... some things have been very good. But that's a fact the perpetual haters will continue to ignore, in favor of a more cynical, angry approach.

Inability to concede anything... not even an inch... undermines the argument, but proves once again, the haters will keep on hating, despite whatever the truth may be.

I asked you once before, what's been good?

He doles money out to the poor in Africa for healthcare, that's good. He ignores the poor and the healthcare of the people who pay taxes in this country, negates the good by far.

So please show me some real good.

Well that's your convenient cover-up. Whenever someone points out the incredibly bad record of this adminstration, probably the worst in modern US history, the cry is "Bush Hater." It's the refuge of a conservative that apparently is too thick headed to admit this president is a fool and hardly a reflection of conservatism.

The man is too stupid to actually hate. A combination of stupidity and religious fervor, although that's redundant, has created problems for this country that will probably take decades to fix.

I am a fiscal conservative and lean to be a social liberal. What Bush has done to this country in government size, budget deficits,
an expensive irrational war that has actually fed terrorism and put this country in a hole that the next president, no matter who, will not be able to get us out of.

Throwing money around in Africa might be embraced by the typical Republican as face saving regardless how how restrictive it's deployment might be or any real accounting for it's distribution is ho-hum news at best.

But clutch at whatever you can, there isn't much to choose from.

Are you advocating isolationism? That we should close our borders to anyone and everyone who's not already inside?

Or do you support helping the needy around the world... places like, Darfur?

Honestly, the way I see it, helping them, helps us. Same way a lot of people complain that Iraq is "hurting our standing in the world"... doesn't this help? Also, doesn't less HIV infections, mean less of a chance for HIV being transferred back to us? Less HIV in the world must be a good thing.

And yes, more money could be spent around here... but the programs they're putting forth over there, are things we already have here. We already are educated to the point where we (the vast majority) know how not to spread HIV... and can deal with Malaria... instead of dying from it.

We could keep all our money here... actually become the most selfish nation on the planet... only helping ourselves, and giving the middle finger to everyone else. Or, we can act like the caring and generous nation we are. I suppose it's all in how you look at life. Is the purpose of life to serve "I" or to serve "us"?

Bush Hater (a definition by ImNotBlue):
1) One who finds fault in President Bush, no matter the situation. All situations (positive or negative) are in the end, negative if they involve something that can be connected to President Bush.

2) One who resorts to childish name calling, such as: "Stupid," "Idiot," "Monkey," "Retard," etc. These represent a ‘playground mentality’ for attacking someone, when factual and evidence-based reasons cannot rationally expressed.

3) One who blames President Bush for problems unrelated to his actions, or actions of the United States. Used by someone so consumed by their hate of President Bush, that they are comfortable using him as their "boogie-man," ie: reason for everything they don't like, agree with, or want. Example: "I stubbed my toe… damn George Bush!"

4) One who is incapable of saying anything positive about President Bush, feeling it necessary to ignore such news, in favor of something more negative. This is someone so steeped in hatred, that it is impossible for they to say anything “un-negative,” therefore all conversations about "good things" must either be "wrong," or the topic must immediately be changed, as to avoid a positive discussion.


Also see Wikipedia Entry: "BDS - Bush Derangement Syndrome"


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Hope that helps with what I mean by "haters"... you seemed confused.

I too am a fiscal conservative, with socially liberal beliefs... except when it comes to national defense.

And while you look at the good news from Africa and say, "Yeah well... it should have been better"... I look at it and say, "Well, it's better than what it was; And less people sick and dying, is better than it was. So this must be a good thing."

You are right, however, it could be better... but it could also be a lot worse.

That's a really good example, stub one toe and blames Bush. That would indicate that you think
there are just a few simplistic problems his adminisration caused and well boys will be boys.

I have yet to see you address/admit any of the serious problems he caused. Your effort is to make excuses and seeming accept, for instance, the enormous fiscal problems he's caused not just for us but for generations to come.

The miniscule good news that his trip to the "country" of Africa, as he once called it, is so overshadowed by the rest of the garbage we must now deal with.

The terms idiot is not only appropriate in this case it's also accurate as would be stupid and possibly retard. Monkey is never a term I've used with Dubya, not really appropriate. They certainly are playground expressions, but you know, "out of the mouths of babes."

If you are truly, as you claim, a fiscal conservative, you should be outraged at what has happened to the US economically over the past 7 years. His off the budget war funding, huge loans from China, historical debt and lame efforts to effect any kind of economic solutions, even when he had a Republican congess.

You don't appear to be upset in the least. So which one of us is confused?

Maybe if he STARTED there and not decided in the last 10 months of his regime to go see what's happening you'd have a leg to call me an isolationist. I've been wondering all along why he hasn't gone there, now I understand. He was busy bankrupting the US.

I'm not going to read the rest or respond. You have now avoided answering the question and instead try to turn it into an attack on me. If you can't answer what he's done that's been good and can't be completely obliterated by what he's done that's bad, attacking me won't make him look any better to anyone either.

Well, I am upset. I am upset that spending is too high, my taxes are still too high, and too many people who don’t deserve the money I’ve worked for, are receiving it.

I’m upset because Bush’s inability to communicate with the American people has led them to doubt, mistrust, and insult each and everything he’s done. In my mind, the biggest failure of this administration is that it cannot communicate its goals, its plans, and actions in a way that both informs and excites the public. Only a small part of the Presidency is creating actual plans… the majority is uniting and unifying the public though speeches and actions.

I’m upset that he has allowed his critics to define him… allowing the haters too much influence, too much power, too much control over history. He has already been defined, and for many its too late to change those ideas… no matter what the facts reveal.

And I’m most upset that in doing all these things… in being secretive and failing to capture the American people, that the really important and worthwhile endeavors will forever be tarnished. A few years ago we began to play offence on the global stage… instead of just accepting an occasional hit now and then. To me, this is the most important thing of this time. However, his poor leadership has allowed the necessity of a strong offence, as well as a strong defense, to become a campaign issue… giving credence to the doubters, and allowing people to forget or ignore what is we’re fighting for.
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The terms “idiot” “stupid” and “retard” are what you call the guy who cuts you off on your way to work… not the guy leading the country. Similar to what you said, that’s “simplistic,” and implies that the flaws and problems of this administration, are just simple things… minor things. They’re what you call someone who has made an “oops”… and you forget about it a few minutes later. And they’re the words you use when you can’t find any other words to use. When you can’t say, “I disagree with this policy because XYZ…” you say, “He’s an idiot.” I prefer to talk about the real issues, not just name calling… but perhaps I paid too much attention back in elementary school.

As for Africa… I’m pretty sure the people there don’t think it’s miniscule. I’m not saying this should become the defining moment of his presidency… I’m not suggesting this makes up for all the other bad stuff… I’m not even suggesting this is the biggest story of the day… but it is a story, and it is a good thing.

If you hate the President for the things he’s done… or if you hate the President because everyone else is doing it… fine. Fold your arms, and stomp off every time there’s positive news. If you want to ignore the positive, because it helps stay negative, than by all means… that’s your call. But me, I’ll read them both. I’ll be happy for the positive news… and upset for the negative. And no, I don’t find that too confusing.

Actually, I think I answered your question in the second part of what I wrote. But you didn't read it.

That's okay. You probably won't read this either. It's a lot easier to close your eyes and say "NO!" than attempt to debate.

"Good" is good... "Good" could be better... but "Nothing" is never good.

Good is good only if it's not negated by excessive bad.

Actually I did read it, that doesn't negate the bad he has done, not by far.

You think it's his lack of communication? How about his blatant lying? How about the corruption, cronism, fraud, disregard for the constitution.

You think you're the one who sees it right and 80% of the world is wrong? I do believe that's one definition of insanity.