wow! thanks DerAlt1

zzz was trying to get me to believe that
Isrealis = angels in disguise
and that
Palestinians = devil-baby killers
(I wasn't buying it)


this seems to point out that

Israelis = Palestinians = Normal People(with thier own biases and mistakes)

And this proves what, exactly?

There are plenty of crazy people out there... some shout on the street corner, some shout in classrooms.

All this proves is that Israel has the same kind of crazy professors that we have here in the US... Ward Churchill, anyone?


Oh, and the main difference between the way the Israelis and the Palestinians attack is their target. Report after report shows this. Israelis go after the people attacking them. Palestinians go after the largest number of people they can find.

Quality versus Quantity. Attacking an attacker, or attacking an innocent. To me, there's a difference, and yes, even moral superiority. You don't attack innocent men, women, and children to make a point. It is simply indefensible.

I condemn both sides of this conflict.

Guerrilla warfare is the only option for the Palestinians, if they had the means for precision combat, tanks, helicopters, fighter jets, .. they would use them instead.

Very well put.


As well, this Biletzki has been at it for over 2 decades now, so it is not news.

The only people who invite her to speak are Palestinian and Arab groups.

If the Palestinians finally do get their way, they would probably execute her. Nobody likes a traitor. Even the Palestinians realize what she is, nothing more than a tool.

My God , they're all liars, traitors, tools of the enemy, Communists, fools. Only you know the truth?

Your rhetoric is really sounding like an old WWII movie: "Commie Dogs!"

Here's another link you may not like....more lies I'm sure:



Some of the history of the land Israel sits on.

http://web.mit.edu/phrj/fellows.html

I guess it's not only the Palestinians after all. Great discussion tactics and ethics there..

Biletzi's own group, B'tzelem, disagrees with her viewpoints.

This is their official statement:

I don't get that from that text, her name isn't mentioned and her viewpoints or publications not addressed. EDIT: Also, it's not *her* group, she is one of many board members.

She has Cambridge University, Harvard University, Boston University and the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton on her resume.

Clearly not the unknown tool you would like her to be. Just be factual and don't make stuff up.

See: Breaking the Silence

one of the most under-reported aspects of the entire issue is that many jewish people, whether abroad or in the US-bankrolled "homeland" do not support what is going on...

ImNotBlue---wtf are you talking about? the only difference is their target? Jim Jones just called, he wants the Kool-Aid back...
How is an Israeli domestic target different from a Palestinian domestic target? I think you should do some fact checking before saying something that makes you seem like such an ignorant person...surely you are not? Do Palestinian children often get blown to bits by the IDF? YES...so you can stop making such blatantly false and ignorant statements. Your credibility will thank you...Do we have testimony and transcripts from IDF forces about shooting lone childred in the street? Yes...what kind of idiot are you?

And, zzz....if what you say is true why are the kill counts skewed so heavily in favor of the IDF? Why are so many sectors hit be suicide bombers full of recent immigrants rather than long-time settlers? Even hardcore Jew/Zionist rags such as Memphis' Hebrew Watchman note the general asymmetry of firepower and death.


"zzz" seems more apt to describe your mental vitality than anything else...with all due respect, I believe you are a mental sloth and an ethical pariah, not to mention a smug a*****e of the 19th century sort that believed in the 'white man's burden', Huston Stewart Chamberlain's scientific racism, and (much later) George Wallace's segregation...each refuses to adequately survey the landscape in favor of taking a very lazy way out and appealing to 'higher truths', 'higher beings', or worse, some fabricated historical 'principles'.

An individual is often faced with an uncomfortable situation in which she must decide whether to remain as she is, or to confront an inconvenient reality where her worldview is concerned. Each path requires a restructuring of that worldview. Only in the former case, however, does it degenerate into Foxnews-esque delirium.

Boy, your insults have really showed me. I must be really dumb not to listen to you.

I mean, sure there's a news story in the headlines TODAY about more INNOCENT ISRAELIS KILLED... but that's probably not true.

I should just listen to you from now on. I bet you're an expert on everything!

I bow to your superior knowledge, and your ability to insult people who disagree with you.

I only wish I could be as smart as you... but I guess I'll have to stick to reading the newspaper, and actually paying attention to what's going on. I mean, it's not as good as being factually wrong but believing I'm right... but hey, we can't all be you.

LOL, what's with the downvoting?

Boy some people sure got back at me, that's almost like having a valid argument. Congrats..

you still didn't answer the challenge to your previously completely false allegations and statements...so I will wait patiently.

I'm not asking you to bow to s**t, bro...just asking you to pull your head out of it...do your own f**king research, look at the f**king numbers...there is no comparison...

So this story:
Israelis mourn 8 students killed at seminary
Thousands gather for funerals of victims; Hamas claimed responsibility



Never happened? Nah, they probably deserved it. Innocent... hardly... they were, um, you know... there... so why not.

Oh, and all those reports about these groups using children has human shields, so that when an attack comes, soldiers are forced to kill innocents... all that is fake too. Sure there are pictures, video, and news reports about it... but that's probably all Photoshop and creative editing.

Man, I don’t know who fed you this stuff… but it certainly wasn’t someone who knows what they’re talking about. Do a little research, produce some evidence, then get back to me… I’m tired of this, “I’m going to call you names… but produce no evidence” stuff you like to do. If that’s all you’ve got… instead of posting, go walk around the block… the adults are talking.


PS- I have no idea what you’re talking about, “Challenged me.” Perhaps you read where I challenged you to produce some actual evidence, and you mistakenly thought it was something you said. Either that, or like the “evidence” you’re produced… you’re imagining things.

please...i'm not the one that made the claim that

"Israelis go after the people attacking them. Palestinians go after the largest number of people they can find.

Quality versus Quantity. Attacking an attacker, or attacking an innocent. To me, there's a difference, and yes, even moral superiority. You don't attack innocent men, women, and children to make a point. It is simply indefensible."

it is not that the above referenced attack never happened, my point is that attacks such as the above are outpaced by the 'response' (as you would have it) to those attacks in both ferocity, firepower, and body count.

that's all...i wasn't claiming that innocents were murdered on only one side..you don't get it, you don't get what has been said all along by me or anyone else...

somehow, western (white) culture has yet to fully understand, after 500+ years, what it is that makes people who have had their homes and societies completely upended by 'others' fight back...whether it was Native Americans, the Aztecs, the Indochinese, various African peoples...and the Palestinians.

They are not wholly justified...they are not necessarily rational...they are not always sane...they are not excused...

but to say that israel is unquestionably the/a victim is absurd, and more importantly, ahistorical...in other words, false. not true.

yes, 8 rabbis-to-be were murdered...so were 100s of Gazans...how can you place one above the other? how can you not wonder how EVERY TIME Israel begins receiving bad press, an incident sure to draw sympathy to their side occurs? It is almost like the Lavon Affair never actually came to an end...

btw, American votes in Ohio and Texas seem to be the latest victim...So Obama (who i don't care for) wants to distance himself from AIPAC, eh??