I don't wanna turn this into an argument about abortion, but the reason I support the banning of abortion is that there is no magical age that a fetus turns into a child. If you can abort the fetus at 19 weeks, why not 19 weeks and 1 day? Why not 20 weeks? Why not 30 weeks? When does the magic transformation happen between a fetus and a human being? It's just a technical term to get people to not feel bad about killing an innocent human being.

On the abortion note, however, Obama said that children were a punishment. He supports partial birth abortion into the third term in which it has already been established that the child is a human being.

lol I am so tired of hearing these Ron Paul people on the internet. Ron Paul never had a chance of being president, that is why he is able to say all these bats**t crazy things (like abolishing the IRS, pulling out of the UN and NATO).

If Obama said anything crazy like "I'm gonna abolish the IRS" it would destroy his campaign, yet RP supporters just eat it up and blame the liberal media when he tanks.
The thing that makes Obama so great is not his position, its is willingness to listen and compromise. If you watch him give any speech, or answer any question you will see this.

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Notice how he wants to move past the divisive issue of abortion, and talk about things that we agree on like ending teen pregnancy

Why? You don't like the idea of freedom? The number 1 candidate support liberty and freedom is one you don't like? His ideas are not bats**t crazy, they're keeping the government from overreaching. How is that bats**t crazy?

I don't blame the liberal media. I blame the media bias against liberty and against an honest politician. It happened with Kucinich AND Paul.

So now we're choosing our Presidents on their speaking abilities?

Yeah, notice how he calls a child a punishment?

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And seriously, are you that immature that you have to downvote every one of my comments because I don't like Obama?

I'm giving an opinion, as Plime has so graciously given us the vehicle to do so, and it shouldn't be downvoted unless it falls under the rules in the "downvote rules."

Ok... you have made MANY assertions as to the character and stances of Obama on numerous issues here... and yet I've not seen you cite a single source or quote for said assertions. I'm afraid I'll have to call you on it. Can you give any sources for these "facts"?

And the whole communism thing... its getting a little tired...

Just because someone doesn't want the 2% to maintain all of the wealth in our country does not make them a communist...

I’m sorry.. but there is no excuse for someone who makes 20 million a year to pay less of a percentage of their income than someone who makes 30k a year. Its asinine and elitist. And as for your quote that Obama wants to tax the rich 50% of their income? Sounds dubious to me... again... quote a source...

Its obvious you have very strong feelings about Obama’s stance on many different things, but this is starting to sound like the same witchhunt used by the Bush administration… u just have replaced “terrorist” with “communist”. I would be VERY interested in reading your sources tho…

On Abortion. Obama has never voted against any sort of abortion regulation.

You're right. It makes them a socialist. Communism is not an economic system.

Obama wants to raise taxes. If you want me to find a source for that I will. But the rich already pay 43% on their taxes. The only way to fund what Obama wants to do (1 Trillion dollar spending increase over 4 years) is to raise taxes above 50% for the rich.

And, yes, there is something wrong to make the rich pay a higher percentage than the poor. There's something wrong with the income tax in general, but I don't see why rich people are being demonized for being rich.

That website I gave you is the main source. If you want more, I can give you more.

But to outline 5 specific reasons why I despise Obama: 1. Abortion on demand through the third trimester. 2. Supports the death penalty. 3. $1 Trillion increase over 4 years. 4. Interventionist foreign policy (however, I do commend him for his stance on Iraq, though it thoroughly pisses me off that he continues to vote for funding it). 5. Absolute ban of handguns.

Obama wants to roll back the tax cuts that Bush gave to the rich, NOT income tax. these are taxes on capital gains and dividends. There is a massive difference. Obama actually plans on lowering Income tax.

Not much to say here except that you shouldn't base your opinion off this one divisive issue, Obama has always said that he wants to lower the number of people having abortions and that is what the focus should be on.

Bulls**t, I don't know where you do your 'research' but it seems very biased because this is simply not true.

This is also not true.


I said listen and compromise and you get speaking abilities...can you read?

Abolishing income tax and the IRS IS BATs**t CRAZY. If you don't see that, well I don't even know what to say it just shows a staggering ignorance of how the American economy works

Also, I did not downvote all your comments, only the ones that had ridiculous claims

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Unless he plans on going further into our massive debt, he will have to increase the income tax. There's no possible way for him to get his $1 Trillion increase without raising taxes

Doesn't matter, he supports it on demand. It's not the only reason i will never vote for Obama.

Um, you're dead wrong here.
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Wrong again. Obama supports absolute gun control on handguns.
Source

WHY?! You can call it crazy all you want, but it's not crazy until you give a reason.

You mean...anything that insulted Obama. All but one of my comments have been downvoted by you.

I actually enjoyed Ontheissues.org, but I doubt you are gonna find fair impartial coverage from any website called talk-left :P

Anyway... too much blood has been spilt on this thread today... I'm gonna say I disagree with you about Obama and just leave it at that...

how the hell did you get from banning semi auto's and requiring child proof locks to "Absolute handgun ban"? Seriously? how did you make that leap?

It wasn't just that source. It was something that broke recently on politico and it was his own handwritten notes on a questionnaire that said he supported the absolute ban of handguns. I'll show you the proof if you'd like.

Are you forgetting how little power the president really has? He isn't a dictator, and we still have a congress (whats left of it) that decides which bills pass and which ones don't.