« 1thirteen3 : 
He's the #1 most liberal senator in the Senate, he's for the absolute control and elimination of all hand guns and he wants to make abortions available with no restrictions.

If there's anyone more divisive politically, that person would be George Bush.

Obama is the WORST person that can become President this cycle.

« chinook : Maybe it's because I'm an outsider here, but I don't see how that makes him a sleazeball.

In fact, anyone who holds the views you listed above would be a progressive leader and my #1 pick.

Oh Darn that Obama; his "liberal" (??? I don't like how you Americans use liberal as the new dirty word) opinions and ideas to make your corner of the world a nicer and safer place....

« 1thirteen3 : I guess I didn't make it clear why he was a sleazeball. That's my own personal opinion.

When I use the term liberal, i usually refer to economics, as that is a perfectly fine term. A fiscally liberal politician is one that supports high taxes and equal outcomes. In short, though trite and clich, fiscal liberals are socialists in every sense of the word, because socialism is an economic policy.

But in the sense of communism (the social aspect of controlling your life), Obama is high on that chart too.

« 1thirteen3 : Um, the world voted to elect Ron Paul

World Vote

« chinook : I really disagree that fiscal liberals are all socialists. Not all fiscal liberals support high taxes. Maybe you haven't heard of moderate or little taxes... I don't know. As for equal outcomes, I have no clue as to what you are talking about.

« 2manyusernames
he would represent a new vision of the US, one which is multicultural. At a time in global politics in which globalization and migration are raising concerns about multiethnicity and social cohesion people would see Obama’s election as a sign of progress on that front.

« 1thirteen3 : I guess I didn't make it clear why he was a sleazeball. That's my own personal opinion.

When I use the term liberal, i usually refer to economics, as that is a perfectly fine term. A fiscally liberal politician is one that supports high taxes and equal outcomes. In short, though trite and clich, fiscal liberals are socialists in every sense of the word, because socialism is an economic policy.

But in the sense of communism (the social aspect of controlling your life), Obama is high on that chart too.

Fiscally, John McCain is the best, Obama is the worst. Socially, they're all equal. Foreign Policy wise Obama and Hillary are just slightly above McCain.

There is no real difference between the three remaining candidates. Anyone that believes that Obama or Hillary will get us out of Iraq completely before McCain is delusional. None of them will get us out...and that's why this Obama worship upsets me so much. He's so dangerous, because of the free pass he will get from Congress. The best Presidential terms are the ones when the government does the least encroaching. Those happen when you have one party holding Congress and one party holding the Presidency. When you have one party that controls both, the government gets far too encroaching on your personal liberties.

« 1thirteen3 :

You obviously don't know his positions. I have put so much time and effort into learning about the candidates this time around, and I know that Obama is the closest candidate to Communism we have running.


And don't worry about Alberta, Democracies don't fight one another.

« xenity7 : He's the most liberal of the candidates still in the race. Edwards was the most socialist. And YOU obviously don't know much about the politics of the rest of the world. The US is BY FAR the furthest right of any country in the "western" world, most politicians who are too liberal to get elected here are considered conservative by even UK or Canadian standards. So Chinook is completely right, all American politicians are far from communism.

« 1thirteen3 :

You obviously don't know his positions. I have put so much time and effort into learning about the candidates this time around, and I know that Obama is the closest candidate to Communism we have running.

« 1thirteen3: He just wants to instill many communistic values, that's all.

« chinook : Really? I didn't know he's fighting for the proletariat and seeks to eliminate social classes. I also didn't know that he wants the state to own all of the land which will be used and worked by the proletariat. I'm also really surprised to hear that he'd want to ensure every single person recieved the same wage, because every person's contribution to society should be valued equally, and he wants to eliminate materialism.

Oh wait, he doesn't want to do any of these things?

But you just said he wanted to instill communist values!

« 1thirteen3 : I said "obviously he's not planning on instituting Communism in the U.S."

But let's go for the 10 planks of communism:

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes. Check. Obama supports Eminent Domain

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. Check. Obama wants to raise taxes so the rich pay over 50% of their income

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. Kinda check. More to do with his taxes, but he doesn't want to completely abolish it

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. Check. All in the name of terror prevention.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. Check. Supports the Federal Reserve

6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State. DOT? Check.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. No Check.

8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture. Check. Raise the Minimum wage? Check. Farm subsidies? Check.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country. No check. He's never addressed this issue.

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc. Check. Increased federal funding for college students? Check

Obama has 7.5 Checks out of 10. That makes him pretty communistic. Granted, I know he didn't start all the stuff that i mentioned. BUT, he does support it, and that makes him communistic. Combine that with his goal to socialize healthcare, and we're all headed for a nightmare.

« 1thirteen3
I come from the camp that every person, born or unborn, has the unalienable right to life. This means I am also against Iraq, I am against capital punishment, and I am against abortion. It's not about the government controlling a woman's life, it's about the government protecting the life of an unborn.

« xenity7 : Ok. There are some serious misconceptions here, along with some ridiculous assertions.

First of all, before you argue that things make him "more communist" you should check to see if other candidates also support those things. And no, Ron Paul does NOT count as a candidate in this analysis. While I admire his conviction and agree with some of his politics, RP would be an AWFUL president. No compromise and pure principle do not work in real life and especially not in politics.