Hackers Threaten Presidential Election Posted: 7 months ago by doggylives
This year, the U.S. will pick a new president using electronic voting machines that can be hacked, security experts said Thursday at the RSA Conference in San Francisco.
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Posted: 7 months ago by PulsisX:
As long as they help whoever ImNotBlue wants to be president then I'm ok with this.
Besides it's not like any of our votes count anyway. Unless someof you are in the electoral college.
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Posted: 7 months ago by 1thirteen3:
That's why I use mail in ballots, because it's paper and I know that it cannot be changed.
« PulsisX :
Besides it's not like any of our votes count anyway. Unless someof you are in the electoral college. I hate this argument. Your vote decides who goes to the electoral college, so your vote isn't wasted.
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Posted: 7 months ago by ImNotBlue:
« PulsisX:As long as they help whoever ImNotBlue wants to be president then I'm ok with this. You're apparently a very angry person. You should work on that.
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Posted: 7 months ago by haven:
Anybody seen the movie Man of the Year?
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Posted: 7 months ago by 2manyusernames:
« ImNotBlue : You're apparently a very angry person. You should work on that. « PulsisX : As long as they help whoever ImNotBlue wants to be president then I'm ok with this. Seems to me he is saying that if the hackers help the guy/gal YOU want he's okay with them doing so.
why downvote him? Why say he has anger issues?
Am I missing some nuance here?
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Posted: 7 months ago by ImNotBlue:
« 2manyusernames : Seems to me he is saying that if the hackers help the guy/gal YOU want he's okay with them doing so.
why downvote him? Why say he has anger issues?
Am I missing some nuance here? PulsisX has been attacking me in a variety of threads, ever since I disagreed with an opinion of his/hers.
That's why I was mentioned by name, before I had even commented. Also, I have never talked about electronic voting systems, or possible fraud, so I'm not sure why PulsisX thinks they know my opinion on it.
But the notion you are expressing is correct... the "hacking" issue goes away as soon as "your guy" gets elected. Remember the 2006 elections... there were news stories all over the place of potential hacking attempts, how unsafe the voting systems were, etc etc... however, after the Democrats won a majority of their races, those stories immediately stopped. There were a number of conservative commentators who made of point of this, wondering, "Where are all the people who were protesting Diebold the day before"... but as you said, 'When you guy wins, it's no big deal.'
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Posted: 7 months ago by hypersapien:
« haven : Anybody seen the movie Man of the Year? Good movie. Everyone thought it was bad, but I don't understand why.
The only thing I thought was really stupid was the bug in the voting machines. The number of votes skewed by the double letters in the candidates name? Speaking as an IT professional, that's dumber than the the aliens in Signs being killed by water.
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Posted: 7 months ago by haven:
« hypersapien : Good movie. Everyone thought it was bad, but I don't understand why.
The only thing I thought was really stupid was the bug in the voting machines. The number of votes skewed by the double letters in the candidates name? Speaking as an IT professional, that's dumber than the the aliens in Signs being killed by water. Ah, dramatic convenience. It is the writer's world. They get to make up the rules. Screw reality.
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Posted: 7 months ago by PulsisX:
« ImNotBlue : PulsisX has been attacking me in a variety of threads, ever since I disagreed with an opinion of his/hers.
That's why I was mentioned by name, before I had even commented. Also, I have never talked about electronic voting systems, or possible fraud, so I'm not sure why PulsisX thinks they know my opinion on it.
But the notion you are expressing is correct... the "hacking" issue goes away as soon as "your guy" gets elected. Remember the 2006 elections... there were news stories all over the place of potential hacking attempts, how unsafe the voting systems were, etc etc... however, after the Democrats won a majority of their races, those stories immediately stopped. There were a number of conservative commentators who made of point of this, wondering, "Where are all the people who were protesting Diebold the day before"... but as you said, 'When you guy wins, it's no big deal.' Blue to say I am attacking you is a bit dramatic don't you think? I admit that I have directed several comments over a number of political threads toward you but I did it in a good natured, kidding way, hardly what I would call an attack. If you feel attacked I will stop doing it because I don't want you to think that I have any kind of grudge against you. I enjoy reading your posts because you often times come at things from a completely different direction as I would.
I will endeavor to only add your name to my comments when absolutely necessary.
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Posted: 7 months ago by PulsisX:
« 1thirteen3 : That's why I use mail in ballots, because it's paper and I know that it cannot be changed.
I hate this argument. Your vote decides who goes to the electoral college, so your vote isn't wasted. Going beyond the Electoral College, who picks who you get to pick to be president? Seems like your choices are often pretty limited. Our elections are dominated by the 2 major parties to the point where any 3rd party contender isn't even allowed to debate in the public forum. Within those parties is a pretty small demographic of people. Until this year it was only rich white men that had most likely attended Yale or some Ivy league school. They are working on a level you don't see and are not allowed to see even if you cared to. If it makes you feel better to vote than by all means do so but don't kid yourself. The choice is made for you.
Vote Yes on prop 11!
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Posted: 7 months ago by DerAlt:
« 1thirteen3 : That's why I use mail in ballots, because it's paper and I know that it cannot be changed.
Unfortunately you have no assurance they will even count those votes.
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Posted: 7 months ago by 1thirteen3:
« DerAlt : Unfortunately you have no assurance they will even count those votes. Yeah, that's the problem...didn't wanna mention it though.
Paper ballots are more likely to be counted than computer votes.
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Posted: 7 months ago by 1thirteen3:
« PulsisX : Going beyond the Electoral College, who picks who you get to pick to be president? Seems like your choices are often pretty limited. Our elections are dominated by the 2 major parties to the point where any 3rd party contender isn't even allowed to debate in the public forum. Within those parties is a pretty small demographic of people. Until this year it was only rich white men that had most likely attended Yale or some Ivy league school. They are working on a level you don't see and are not allowed to see even if you cared to. If it makes you feel better to vote than by all means do so but don't kid yourself. The choice is made for you.
Vote Yes on prop 11! That's why I support paper ballots.
But the electoral college isn't some secret meeting that we don't know what goes on. When a state elects someone (say Bush), the party picks consistent and loyal Republicans to send them to vote for him.
It's a form of a Republic, which is what we have at nearly every level. It's not like our votes don't count though.
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Posted: 7 months ago by bcgrote:
I only vote absentee/VBM now. Plus I work at the polls.
California is NOT allowed to use the (formerly)Diebold machines. They were found to be insecure, so we still use the ink-a-vote stamp thing. It's a bit better, but not perfect. I don't know of any election involving more than 2 people that could be safe from tampering in some form or another.
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Posted: 7 months ago by PulsisX:
« 1thirteen3 : That's why I support paper ballots.
But the electoral college isn't some secret meeting that we don't know what goes on. When a state elects someone (say Bush), the party picks consistent and loyal Republicans to send them to vote for him.
It's a form of a Republic, which is what we have at nearly every level. It's not like our votes don't count though. I am really missing how supporting paper ballots makes up for the fact that we are forced to pick a president from a pool of 10 people.
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Posted: 7 months ago by 1thirteen3:
« PulsisX : I am really missing how supporting paper ballots makes up for the fact that we are forced to pick a president from a pool of 10 people. Oh, I'm sorry, I misunderstood what you said.
It's our own fault. If we all voted for the only person we agreed with, we wouldn't have this two-party system.
Unfortunately, we all subscribe to the idea that only a democrat or a republican can win, so we only vote for them.
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Posted: 7 months ago by PulsisX:
« 1thirteen3 : Oh, I'm sorry, I misunderstood what you said.
It's our own fault. If we all voted for the only person we agreed with, we wouldn't have this two-party system.
Unfortunately, we all subscribe to the idea that only a democrat or a republican can win, so we only vote for them. Are you agreeing with me?
Also I have not voted for a democrat or republican for president ever. But I have voted.
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Posted: 7 months ago by 1thirteen3:
« PulsisX : Are you agreeing with me?
Also I have not voted for a democrat or republican for president ever. But I have voted. I think I might be :).
I'm voting Libertarian lol. Hopefully Bob Barr can get a huge percentage of the vote like Perot did, though hopefully enough to propel the LP into major party status.
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