<![CDATA[abandonedcouch @ 5/18/2008 2:58:15 PM]]>2597522008-05-18T14:58:15+01:002008-05-18T14:58:15+01:00 It's gotten so out of hand that my boyfriend recently got reported to the principle of the school he teaches drumline at for refering to one of the girls in the band as "young lady". Her mother threatened to sue and the principle laughed in her face. So now my boyfriend calls the rest of the girls "young lady" and calls the girl who complained "Slagathor".]]><![CDATA[D3SPiTE @ 5/16/2008 2:21:12 AM]]>2585552008-05-16T02:21:12+01:002008-05-16T02:21:12+01:00<![CDATA[gammerus @ 5/16/2008 12:46:25 AM]]>258523 It isn't as tho this is being ignored anymore than any other awkward political momen...]]>2008-05-16T00:46:25+01:002008-05-16T00:46:25+01:00 It isn't as tho this is being ignored anymore than any other awkward political moment.]]><![CDATA[2manyusernames @ 5/15/2008 10:05:43 PM]]>258412«unzercharlie : So in this hypothetical world where I call Obama's wife "sweetheart." Someone is going to jump up and say "Hey don...]]>2008-05-15T22:05:43+01:002008-05-15T22:05:43+01:00«unzercharlie : So in this hypothetical world where I call Obama's wife "sweetheart." Someone is going to jump up and say "Hey don't talk to her like that!" and then the media's going to walk all over me. Have I got that right?
It's not a big deal, it's a pissed off reporter.Yes, it is a pissed off reporter. Yes the reporter shouldn't have been asking him questions or bothering him at this particular time.
My point is.
1. "sweetie" is considered sexist by many people. Just as some words are considered racist by many people.
That doesn't mean the use of the term is automatically sexist. Obama was not using it in a sexist manner.
2. If someone used the term "sweetie" with a female candidate/spouse especially in a brush-off manner there would be accusations of sexism that would *probably* be louder than this mere whimper of an accusation.
Neither case would be sexist, that isn't my point. Just that the accusation would be made.]]><![CDATA[drogue @ 5/15/2008 9:56:20 PM]]>2584032008-05-15T21:56:20+01:002008-05-15T21:56:20+01:00<![CDATA[unzercharlie @ 5/15/2008 9:14:41 PM]]>258363 It's not a big ...]]>2008-05-15T21:14:41+01:002008-05-15T21:14:41+01:00 It's not a big deal, it's a pissed off reporter.]]><![CDATA[2manyusernames @ 5/15/2008 8:53:08 PM]]>258349«unzercharlie :
«2manyusernames : That may be, however if a reporter spoke to Obama's wife like that there would be a hellstorm raised.
]]><![CDATA[2manyusernames @ 5/15/2008 8:44:40 PM]]>258342«unzercharlie : Sorry, I just don't buy it. I'm pretty sure I could call Chelsea or Hilary sweetheart and they'd just smile. They're politicians,...]]>2008-05-15T20:44:40+01:002008-05-15T20:44:40+01:00«unzercharlie : Sorry, I just don't buy it. I'm pretty sure I could call Chelsea or Hilary sweetheart and they'd just smile. They're politicians, whether it gets under their skin or not, they play nice with the public.
This is just a case of a pissed off reporter who didn't get what she wanted when she wanted it. Time to make a fuss.Read again what I wrote. You could call Hillary anything you want. You can say almost anything about Chelsea (well you can't use the term pimped her our even when the term has nothing to do with prostitution) without any flak from the politician.
They have to smile and say thank you very much. Others would be upset. Others would be making accusations of sexism.
That was my point, or if you prefer my unsupported and unproven *supposition*]]><![CDATA[unzercharlie @ 5/15/2008 8:36:55 PM]]>258334«2manyusernames : Oh please.
Common. Sense.
Such a term would obviously cause some complaints and irritation. If his use of it ...]]>2008-05-15T20:36:55+01:002008-05-15T20:36:55+01:00«2manyusernames : Oh please.
Common. Sense.
Such a term would obviously cause some complaints and irritation. If his use of it with a reporter caused grief and for him to feel the need to apologize the use of a term which is easily and often thought condescending and belittling for his wife would have an even greater level of complaints.
This is true not only with Obama but with any politician, celebrity, high-ranking employee, or anyone with an inflated sense of themselves.Sorry, I just don't buy it. I'm pretty sure I could call Chelsea or Hilary sweetheart and they'd just smile. They're politicians, whether it gets under their skin or not, they play nice with the public.
This is just a case of a pissed off reporter who didn't get what she wanted when she wanted it. Time to make a fuss.]]><![CDATA[2manyusernames @ 5/15/2008 8:31:32 PM]]>258330«unzercharlie : You assume this is true simply to back your argument? I can't really see it becoming an issue if it did happen, but I don't know ...]]>2008-05-15T20:31:32+01:002008-05-15T20:31:32+01:00«unzercharlie : You assume this is true simply to back your argument? I can't really see it becoming an issue if it did happen, but I don't know what the outcome would be any more than you do.Oh please.
Common. Sense.
Such a term would obviously cause some complaints and irritation. If his use of it with a reporter caused grief and for him to feel the need to apologize the use of a term which is often thought condescending and belittling than the use of the term for his wife would have an even greater level of complaints.
This is true not only with Obama but with any politician, celebrity, high-ranking employee, or anyone with an inflated sense of themselves.
The politicians themselves wouldn't complain obviously, but others would.
«gammerus : Why do you keep trying to pick a fight with the media? Anytime something happens with Obama you keeping bringing up the what if card. What if someone had said this to his wife? What if McCain had said it. Can't we just stay on topic?
I wasn't picking a fight with anyone dearie.*
The "what if" card is on topic here.
Also Obama has nothing to do with my hypothetical scenario. The same would be if McCain said it. McCain would catch a bit of flak, much like Obama. He'd apologize and that would be that, just like here. If some reporter said that to McCain's wife there would be an equal uproar than if some reporter said it to Obama's wife.
It really isn't that hard to see my point. At least it shouldn't be.
The reporter is in a lower pecking order than the wife of a presidential candidate (rightly or wrongly, that is true). Therefore the use of what some may feel is a condescending term on a reporter wouldn't get as harsh a reaction as on the politician's wife.
Heck the use of that term is grounds for a sexual harassment lawsuit. It really is understandable and logical for the wife of a presidential candidate or a female presidential candidate to be offended.
*dearie was used here to illustrate the point that many find such terms insulting. I was betting that you'd feel a tinge of irritation at that. That you'd feel I was being patronizing, condescending, and dismissive of you WHICH IS FAR FROM THE TRUTH. Just pointing out something.]]><![CDATA[unzercharlie @ 5/15/2008 8:05:12 PM]]>258316«2manyusernames : That may be, however if a reporter spoke to Obama's wife like that there would be a hellstorm raised.You assume this i...]]>2008-05-15T20:05:12+01:002008-05-15T20:05:12+01:00«2manyusernames : That may be, however if a reporter spoke to Obama's wife like that there would be a hellstorm raised.You assume this is true simply to back your argument? I can't really see it becoming an issue if it did happen, but I don't know what the outcome would be any more than you do.]]><![CDATA[hOOsker @ 5/15/2008 8:02:33 PM]]>2583132008-05-15T20:02:33+01:002008-05-15T20:02:33+01:00<![CDATA[gammerus @ 5/15/2008 7:36:34 PM]]>258304«2manyusernames : That may be, however if a reporter spoke to Obama's wife like that there would be a hellstorm raised.
Accusations of pa...]]>2008-05-15T19:36:34+01:002008-05-15T19:36:34+01:00«2manyusernames : That may be, however if a reporter spoke to Obama's wife like that there would be a hellstorm raised.
Accusations of patronizing and being treated with disdain. Accusations of being belittling and more would be made and the reporter would probably be fired.
Obama and his campaign would of course not be the one's acting upset. Others would do it for him.Why do you keep trying to pick a fight with the media? Anytime something happens with Obama you keeping bringing up the what if card. What if someone had said this to his wife? What if McCain had said it. Can't we just stay on topic?]]><![CDATA[gammerus @ 5/15/2008 7:35:04 PM]]>258303Hour later, Obama left a voicemail for Agar. Obama apologized for not getting back to her. He also told Agar he has a bad habit of calling people "sweetie."
Obama then said: "I mean no disrespect, so I am du...]]>2008-05-15T19:35:04+01:002008-05-15T19:35:04+01:00Hour later, Obama left a voicemail for Agar. Obama apologized for not getting back to her. He also told Agar he has a bad habit of calling people "sweetie."
Obama then said: "I mean no disrespect, so I am duly chastened on that front." At least he apologized.]]><![CDATA[coldbladed @ 5/15/2008 7:31:33 PM]]>258301«tvirus : I don't think there's anything wrong with the word sweetie. It's a cultural thing, like in certain states people say "hun" and...]]>2008-05-15T19:31:33+01:002008-05-15T19:31:33+01:00«tvirus : I don't think there's anything wrong with the word sweetie. It's a cultural thing, like in certain states people say "hun" and "sweetie" a lot. Apparently he's been in trouble for using the word before.
Anyway, I was looking for background about this clip (like why he blew her off) and I found this:
The term sweetie has a lot of connotation mixed in with it. It originates from the concept of a sweet or a candy. I think we can see why a woman wouldn't want to be referred to in that way by just anyone.]]><![CDATA[2manyusernames @ 5/15/2008 6:49:10 PM]]>258281«tvirus : I don't think there's anything wrong with the word sweetie. It's a cultural thing, like in certain states people say "hun" and...]]>2008-05-15T18:49:10+01:002008-05-15T18:49:10+01:00«tvirus : I don't think there's anything wrong with the word sweetie. It's a cultural thing, like in certain states people say "hun" and "sweetie" a lot. Apparently he's been in trouble for using the word before.
Anyway, I was looking for background about this clip (like why he blew her off) and I found this:
That may be, however if a reporter spoke to Obama's wife like that there would be a hellstorm raised.
Accusations of patronizing and being treated with disdain. Accusations of being belittling and more would be made and the reporter would probably be fired.
Obama and his campaign would of course not be the one's acting upset. Others would do it for him.]]><![CDATA[tvirus @ 5/15/2008 6:01:15 PM]]>258246 Anyway, I was looking fo...]]>2008-05-15T18:01:15+01:002008-05-15T18:01:15+01:00 Anyway, I was looking for background about this clip (like why he blew her off) and I found this:
]]><![CDATA[clscott645 @ 5/15/2008 4:51:32 PM]]>258189 I think that it may be just another nit-picking thing going on around here.]]>2008-05-15T16:51:32+01:002008-05-15T16:51:32+01:00 I think that it may be just another nit-picking thing going on around here.]]><![CDATA[coldbladed @ 5/15/2008 4:08:32 PM]]>2581072008-05-15T16:08:32+01:002008-05-15T16:08:32+01:00