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 Obama adds his wife to the long list of things we are not supposed to discuss.
Obama adds his wife to the long list of things we are not supposed to discuss.
Barack Obama has a message for Tennessee's Republican Party: "Lay off my wife." This was in reference to a video taking Mrs Obama to task for her "For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country." He called the strategy "low class." picked by 2manyusernames 6 months ago
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 DerAlt
6 months ago
« 2manyusernames : As I've quoted numerous times:
"If they think that they're going to try to make Michelle an issue in this campaign, they should be careful because that I find unacceptable, the notion that you start attacking my wife or my family."

Right there. Explain to me how that statement means that he is defending her on the SOLE issue of being proud of her country? That is stating that his wife and his family are not to be made an issue of. period. Show me how that does not mean that his wife and family can not be turned into an issue in this campaign and I'll concede I was mistaken. Those are his words not my interpretation.

His family is and has been left alone because they are not campaigning. His wife is a different story.


My focus? My focus is that he was silly to expect that the republicans refrain from responding or questioning any PUBLIC statements his wife or family makes. That he can warn and demand that his wife nor family be made into an issue. And once again, as I've stated several times, it was the republican party he demanded to leave his wife alone, not the media.

That is all.

Nothing about his ability or inability to be president.

No, I don't think she is unamerican or unfit to be the first lady. Nor did I ever say that despite your desire to keep pushing it back to that story. I didn't say anything negative towards her. On the contrary I have said here more than once and in numerous other threads that they should drop that particular attack.


My sole point is that her public statements and actions, especially her public statements and actions while campaigning are open to debate, question, and even attacks.

Should those attacks prove baseless such as the "proud to be an american" bit than they should be dropped and if they are not, then Obama, the voters, the media, and all should defend her.

That doesn't mean that she nor his family (if they were to take up campaigning) can NEVER be turned into a issue.
Tempest in a teapot. Just not a worthy issue. Actually we are creating more of an issue out of this that it actually deserves.

You very well know haw she meant that statement.

I don't see any Republicans talking about investigating McCains ties to John Hagee. Hagee is a racist, homophobe idiot whose support McCain actually sought!

Instead they're focusing on a statement from a Democratic contenders wife. I'm really surprised you don't clearly see that.

You profess to be neutral in all of this, this stance somewhat belies that position.

I don't have that problem, I'm a supporter.

Did you have a problem with the press non-reporting Reagans alzheimers issues?

We really need to agree to disagree.
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6 months ago
« DerAlt : Tempest in a teapot. Just not a worthy issue. Actually we are creating more of an issue out of this that it actually deserves.

You very well know haw she meant that statement.

I don't see any Republicans talking about investigating McCains ties to John Hagee. Hagee is a racist, homophobe idiot whose support McCain actually sought!

Instead they're focusing on a statement from a Democratic contenders wife. I'm really surprised you don't clearly see that.

You profess to be neutral in all of this, this stance somewhat belies that position.

I don't have that problem, I'm a supporter.

Did you have a problem with the press non-reporting Reagans alzheimers issues?

We really need to agree to disagree.
Why or WHY do you keep CHANGING the subject.

"We really need to agree to disagree" may be the answer but first we need to AGREE on what we disagree on.

The only reason it is an "issue" here, is because you keep on changing the issue. That is incredibly frustrating when I say "apple" is wrong and you say I am incorrect that "orange" is too right.

Yes, I know very well how she meant that statement. I said that I knew what she meant. I said I didn't think she was unamerican. Why do you keep changing what I said??

I am not talking about that statement, Obama was not talking about that statement. Only you are stuck on that one statement.

As I said, as you asked for proof, and as I showed you proof, his demand was that she never be made into an issue period. Not on that one issue.

I do see that statement should be dropped. I am not talking about that. I am really surprised you refuse to see that or apparently to even read my comments.

My stance once again, is that the PUBLIC aspects of his CAMPAIGNING wife are open for discussion. Each statement to be looked on individually.

I am being neutral here. I am not commenting on his ability or inability to be president.I am defending Michelle on that ONE PARTICULAR statement. Your support of him seems to be blinding you to what I said which once again, is that his wife is open to questioning during the campaign, but not the same question over and over and over again.

That is the problem. You keep say we disagree but you and I are talking about two things.

My view is that the proud to be an american comment should be dropped. Do we agree there? yes or no?

My other view is that although Michelle's "proud to be an american" statement should be dropped that doesn't mean that nothing she says or does should be considered as sacrosanct from being questioned or attacked. Do we agree there yes or no?

My last view is that Obama's direct quote:
"If they think that they're going to try to make Michelle an issue in this campaign, they should be careful because that I find unacceptable, the notion that you start attacking my wife or my family."
means that his wife and family should not be turned into an issue at any time during the campaign (and not that michelle should be left alone on one particular incident). Do we agree there yes or no?

Please show me which of those 3 views you disagree on.
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 DerAlt
6 months ago
« 2manyusernames : Why or WHY do you keep CHANGING the subject.

"We really need to agree to disagree" may be the answer but first we need to AGREE on what we disagree on.

The only reason it is an "issue" here, is because you keep on changing the issue. That is incredibly frustrating when I say "apple" is wrong and you say I am incorrect that "orange" is too right.

Yes, I know very well how she meant that statement. I said that I knew what she meant. I said I didn't think she was unamerican. Why do you keep changing what I said??

I am not talking about that statement, Obama was not talking about that statement. Only you are stuck on that one statement.

As I said, as you asked for proof, and as I showed you proof, his demand was that she never be made into an issue period. Not on that one issue.

I do see that statement should be dropped. I am not talking about that. I am really surprised you refuse to see that or apparently to even read my comments.

My stance once again, is that the PUBLIC aspects of his CAMPAIGNING wife are open for discussion. Each statement to be looked on individually.

I am being neutral here. I am not commenting on his ability or inability to be president.I am defending Michelle on that ONE PARTICULAR statement. Your support of him seems to be blinding you to what I said which once again, is that his wife is open to questioning during the campaign, but not the same question over and over and over again.

That is the problem. You keep say we disagree but you and I are talking about two things.

My view is that the proud to be an american comment should be dropped. Do we agree there? yes or no?

My other view is that although Michelle's "proud to be an american" statement should be dropped that doesn't mean that nothing she says or does should be considered as sacrosanct from being questioned or attacked. Do we agree there yes or no?

My last view is that Obama's direct quote:

means that his wife and family should not be turned into an issue at any time during the campaign (and not that michelle should be left alone on one particular incident). Do we agree there yes or no?

Please show me which of those 3 views you disagree on.
I'm not going to keep this going.
The essence of the article is that Obama wants all the groups, medial political, what have you, to get some class and stick to the issues. I'm not changing the subject, that IS the subject. That's the thrust of the entire article and of course he specifically means any unfair, spun garbage. You may interpret his words any way you like but I feel you are insinuating issues that are not there.

"Obama said his wife "loves this country. For them to try to distort or to play snippets of her remarks in ways that are unflattering to her is, I think, just low class. I think that most of the American people would think that as well."

He is being very clear about speaking of unfair, distorted, or out of context remarks from his wife and family. He is absolutely not saying that all discussions are off limits.

We have commented on this article way beyond it's importance. I think most of the first commenters have it right. We've used more words than the original piece. I don't mean to be disrespectful but I've really had it with this discussion, we apparently are not going to agree.
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