Amazing! Go Dennis!!

Too bad it won't mean a damn thing...

It'd be better if Cheney were impeached too.

It'll never happen. Bush may have initiated it, but congress DID vote to go to war, so, impeach Bush, impeach Congress.

Say, that's not such a bad idea..... (wet dream).

Yeah, but Bush knowingly gave false information to Congress in order to convince them to go to war.

Don't believe the hype.

It doesn't work that way. If it did, they would actually have a solid case for impeachment.

The fact of the matter is that the Senate Intelligence Committee gets the exact same intelligence the President gets. And most of the members of that committee had been getting that intel for longer than Bush was in office.

What you're seeing here is politics at its finest (or worst). These guys (both sides) have access to information we will never see and because of this, they can take shots at each other while we sit and watch and decide who we believe.

Do you think that if Nancy Pelosi knew she had a solid case for Impeachment she wouldn't do it? C'mon. Let's be real here.

They've got nothing.

Hmmm...

Why would someone go through all the trouble of doing this when it isn't going to matter.

He's not up for reelection this year is he?

It might go a long way to giving America back its credibility... who knows tho... it could also be that Kunich's Wii is in the shop this week and he was bored...

What a waste of time.

Yet another myth.

'Credibility" in foreign relations is not based on emotion. It's based on economics. No country does anything based on the goodness of their hearts. It's all about what they will gain from the arrangement. If it benefits them, they will do it.

The only thing that will hurt our "credibility" is if we go into a depression.

I wish to God this would mean something- and that even though it's many years too late, that at least Bush would have to pay for his crimes and stupidity.

While its true that the senate security council had access to much of the same information- that doesn't change how Bush and his cabinet interpreted it. Then proceeded to bully the press, and detractors into cowing down to his whim.

Personally I find Bush to be a criminal, and a fraud. But with everything over the last 8 years- I have lost alot of faith in the government in general.

Nothing that has happened over the last 8 years has been for my, yours, or our benefit. And that's not just bush- thats every branch...both sides.

That's the thing: From a legal standpoint, there was no crime. Congress gave Bush the power to make the decision to invade. And contrary to popular opinion, that decision was based on intelligence that predated the current administration.

After that resolution was passed, the administration didn't even have to say another word about it and they could have called for the invasion. Anything said after that was window dressing for political purposes.

You can argue that the invasion was a mistake, misguided, unnecessary, etc. But you can't call it a crime because Congress authorized it.

Meby in your world... but here in reality its a different story...

Ask someone about Darfur, or the Sudan, or Nazi Germany, or Zimbobwei... I'm sure those guys are just way high on the list of credible leaders... and if you think its because of their economy, you are foolin yourself...

If there is proof that the administration twisted intelligence to its own design, or that they omitted evidence to strengthen the reasons for war... then that is a crime... Ask "Scooter" Libby to define "Perjury" for you...

Wars of Aggression Indictment
Count 1: The Bush administration authorized a war of aggression against Iraq.

Count 2: The Bush administrations authorized conduct of the war that involved the commission of “war crimes.”

Count 3: The Bush administration authorized the occupation of Iraq involving, and continuing to involve, the commission of “war crimes”, “crimes against humanity” and other illegal acts.

The invasion, occupation and torture of prisoners are clear violations of existing International Law, including the following:

1) Customary international law;

2) United Nations Charter, 59 Stat. 1031, 3 Bevans 1153 (1945);

3) Universal Declaration of Human Rights, G.A. Res. 217A(iii), (U.N. Doc A/810 (1948);

4) The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, G.A. Res. 2220A(xxi) 21 U.N. Doc., GAOR Supp. (No 16) at 52, U.N. Doc A/6316 (1966);

5) Geneva Conventions of 1949, Conventions I-IV, August 12, 1949, Additional Protocols I and II to the Geneva Conventions of 1949, opened for signature, December 12, 1977;

6) Convention Against Torture and other Cruel, Inhuman and Degrading Treatment or Punishment, G.A. Res. 39/46, 39 U.N. Doc, GAOR Supp. (No. 51) at 197, U.N. Doc. A/39/51 (1984);

7) International Covenant on Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights and of the International Covenant on Political and Civil Rights (1966);

8) Declaration on the Protection of All Persons From Being Subjected to Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, G.A. Res. 3452, 30 U.N. Doc., GAOR Supp. (No 34) at 91, U.N. Doc. A/10034 (1976);

9) United Nations Standard Minimum Rules for the Treatment of Prisoners, U.N. Doc. A/CONF/611, ANNEX I., ESC Res. 663(c), 24 U.N. ESCOR Supp. (No 1), at 11, U.N. Doc. E/3048 (1957), amended E.S.C. Res. 2076, 62 U.N. ESCOR Supp. (No. 1), at 35, U.N. Doc. E/5988 (1977);

10) European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, November 4, 1950, 213 UNTS. 221;

11) The Nuremberg Principles [1];

12) Common Law of the United States of America, and;

13) Statutes and common law of the State of New York, including, but not limited to assault and battery, and the intentional infliction of emotional distress.


Count 1

As part of an illegal doctrine of “preemptive war,” based on deliberate and conscious lies, and with no legitimate claim of self defense, the Bush administration planned, prepared and waged the supreme crime of a war of aggression in contravention of the United Nations Charter, the 1949 Geneva Convention [2] and the Nuremberg Principles.


Count 2

The Bush administrations authorized conduct of the war that involved the commission of “war crimes,” including by not limited to:

The targeting of Iraqi leaders in “decapitation” strikes, including prior to the official outbreak of the war included the following:

Targeting the civilian population of Iraq and civilian infrastructure by intentionally directing attacks upon civilians and hospitals, medical centers, residential neighborhoods, electricity stations, and water purification facilities, as well as intense and indiscriminate military operations against many cities and towns causing massive civilian casualties.

Using disproportionate force and weapon systems with indiscriminate effects, such as cluster munitions, incendiary bombs, depleted uranium (DU), and chemical weapons.

Using DU munitions with devastating long-term effects on human beings and the environment.

Extensive destruction and appropriation of property not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly. (Geneva Convention)

Seizure of, destruction of willful damage done to institutions dedicated to religion (Mosques), charity and education, the arts and sciences, historic documents and works of art and science.

Willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health. (Geneva Convention)

Attack, or bombardment, by whatever means, of undefended towns, villages, dwellings, and buildings.

Wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages, and devastation not justified by military necessity, for example, the wanton destruction of ancient Babylon, where U.S. troops are based with large numbers of troops and material, and the destruction and looting of ancient texts, artifacts, art, and the cultural history of one of the most ancient civilizations in the world.


Count 3

The Bush administration authorized the occupation of Iraq involving, and continuing to involve, the commission of “war crimes”, “crimes against humanity” and other illegal acts, including but not limited to:

The invasion, occupation and imposition of a U.S.-controlled provisional authority has violated the right of self-determination of the Iraqi people by its decrees, practices, imposition of an interim government, managed elections, and administered constitution-making process, violating Article 1 of the International Covenant on Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights and of the International Covenant on Political and Civil Rights (1966) which states: “(1) All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.”

Unlawful attacks, including assassinations, summary executions, murders, disappearances, kidnappings and torture, including using deadly violence against peaceful protestors.

Imposing punishments without charge or trial, including collective punishment.

Unlawful detention and torture, including by U.S. military personnel and by paramilitary civilian forces operating anonymously, including widespread, repeated and systematic use of torture and degrading treatment of Iraqi civilian and military personnel detained in prison facilities or covertly transferred to foreign countries known for torture and severe prison conditions, practices which are unconditionally prohibited by international law.

Failure to provide public order and safety, ensure vital services, or to protect Iraqi health and life, including by authorizing, ordering and condoning the systematic destruction of economic, social, cultural, medical, educational, governmental and diplomatic resources, properties and facilities throughout Iraq.

Actively creating conditions under which the status of Iraqi women has seriously been degraded and where many of their civil rights have been lost.

Re-writing the laws of a country that has been illegally invaded and occupied, including fundamental changes in Iraq’s economic structure, including the right of private foreign investors to retain 100% of any profits made in Iraq.

Extensive destruction and appropriation of property not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly. (Geneva Convention)

Attack, or bombardment, of undefended towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings.

Willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health. (Geneva Convention)

Willfully depriving a prisoner of war or a civilian of the rights of fair and regular trial. (Geneva Convention)

Willfully devastating the environment, including through the use of DU munitions.

Failing to protect humanity’s rich archaeological and cultural heritage in Iraq

Systematically utilizing, controlling, directing, manipulating, misinforming and restricting press and media coverage and deliberately presenting false and misleading reports to obtain support for U.S. military and political and actions; and to deprive the American people of knowledge essential to develop an informed opinion which is essential to democratic processes and elections.

Ordering young people, American soldiers in particular, to commit terrible acts that will haunt them, their families and their communities. Their acts of torture of Iraqi detainees, and the killing of women, children, injured people, doctors, nurses, and the bombing of places of worship and hospitals will not only brutalize these soldiers individually, but will further the violence and militarization of American culture.

I think you may have actually just said the same thing I did.

BEFORE the resolution, yes.

AFTER the resolution, no.

This is why no one ever talks about the statements made before the resolution. Because if they did, they would expose the fact that all of them were relying on the same information and most of that information PREDATED the current administration.

Don't get mad at me for adding some perspective to this debate. I'm just telling you the games you see played out in the media have almost nothing to do with what is going on behind the scenes.

Nothing Kucinich brought up is new. If there was anything impeachable at all, they would have done it years ago.

Hating someone isn't enough justification for Impeachment. And that's all they've got.

Yeah they did. And didn't bother to read the pre-war intel before they made that decision either. They can go too!

This will be interesting to watch play out. It could get exciting if other people get on board with him. The only real issues I have is that an impeachment while emotionally satisfying would be destabilizing to our country and would also land Satan, urm I mean Cheney as President. While we may gain credibility as a nation for holding Bush accountable for these things we will also lose by appearing unstable, and divided within.

I agree with TM, but I would also like to see the other 49 States follow the Vermont lead. Issue warrants for Bush's and Cheney's arrest for crimes against the constitution.

Let them finish out their term. Then give them no where else to run in the States because all 50 states would have warrants out for their arrest for crimes against the constitution. They'll have to run to a non-extradition country which would have people that Bush and Cheney would have persecuted with this war.

all this trouble to impeach Bush, and President Clinton was impeached(taken to trial) for getting a BJ and lying about it.. ?? BS.. I say Bush should have been out of office, if not for one of the 35 crimes then just to save face for our country.

Did I seriosuly just get downvoted for that? lol ok... i'm goin to eat my lunch now, I thought this was an opinion based thing, and I didn't even swear or talk about midgets..geesh, lol