Plime/1Glenn Greenwald Versus Keith Olbermann and Barack Obama : ATOM 0.3www.plime.complime@plime.com2008, www.plime.com.2008-11-19T00:41:23+01:0066951

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« DerAlt:Having them slipped in sideways is no better.ha ha, let me slip this one in sideways then ... it does show democrats in the sena...]]>

2008-06-27T14:42:33+01:002008-06-27T14:42:33+01:00« DerAlt:Having them slipped in sideways is no better.ha ha, let me slip this one in sideways then ... it does show democrats in the senate who are backing up Chris Dodd's december speech ... namely Russ Feingold & Rick Noriega. you'll have to toggle down to watch & listen.

BTW, I have never voted Democrat nor Republican in the last 11 presidential elections (Although I probably would have voted for Kennedy in 64 if he had made it). Not that both of those parties do not have members who stand for freedom for americans, they do.

IMO this issue should be paramount for every voter, no matter what party they belong to.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/06/25/dodd/index.html

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I expected flip flopping from Obama because let's face it...]]>

2008-06-27T14:00:59+01:002008-06-27T14:00:59+01:00
I expected flip flopping from Obama because let's face it, he's a politician ... that's what they do. I just didn't expect him to cave this early.

I don't expect anything good to come from this election, no matter who wins, the washington intellectuals are as determined as ever to change the english language to whatever suits their lavish lifestyle.]]>281350

« DerAlt : Sure I agree. But what happened to your opening comment that this post was not meant as a statement against Obama...just unbia...]]>

2008-06-27T13:43:23+01:002008-06-27T13:43:23+01:00« DerAlt : Sure I agree. But what happened to your opening comment that this post was not meant as a statement against Obama...just unbiased observation.

Some folks at Plime actually post political articles and then use a transparent excuse/pretense that they are arms length neutral and the post is "important" news.

There are tons of articles about McCain flipping and actual evidence that he's changed his "beliefs" many times during the past years.
It seems that most folks are avoiding posting blatent political opinions because they are available elsewhere for those who want to read them.

Having them slipped in sideways is no better.Um... I didn't say that. Not sure where you thought I said that... sorry if I was unclear.

I said that I've avoided posts that are only about Olbermann... but since this story is as much about him, as it is about Obama, FISA, and the current state of political pundits (they're often against someONE, even when they say they're against someTHING... ie. FISA), I thought I appropriate to post.

As to Obama, his flip-flops are as important to discuss, as McCain's. I have no problem with either... just so long as the site doesn't become inundated with nasty, unrelated, smear articles. There's a difference between legitimate debate, and nastiness disguised as debate.]]>281325

« ImNotBlue:No, Bush bashing is attacking Bush, for reasons unrelated to the actual issue, or accusing him or doing something he had no impact on, ...]]>

2008-06-27T13:12:21+01:002008-06-27T13:12:21+01:00« ImNotBlue:No, Bush bashing is attacking Bush, for reasons unrelated to the actual issue, or accusing him or doing something he had no impact on, or wasn't actually his fault/responsibility.

Calling Bush all kinds of names for doing FISA, and then praising Obama for the same thing, is Bush bashing. That's using the situation to be negative, when (apparently) it doesn't call for it. Wouldn't you agree?Sure I agree. But what happened to your opening comment that this post was not meant as a statement against Obama...just unbiased observation.

Some folks at Plime actually post political articles and then use a transparent excuse/pretense that they are arms length neutral and the post is "important" news.

There are tons of articles about McCain flipping and actual evidence that he's changed his "beliefs" many times during the past years.
It seems that most folks are avoiding posting blatent political opinions because they are available elsewhere for those who want to read them.

Having them slipped in sideways is no better.]]>281287

« DerAlt : Hmmm, and all this time I thought you considered pointing out such things was "Bush Bashing."

Of course it'...]]>

2008-06-27T12:41:09+01:002008-06-27T12:41:09+01:00« DerAlt : Hmmm, and all this time I thought you considered pointing out such things was "Bush Bashing."

Of course it's wrong and has been for a long time even though some folks seem to think it's just been invented.No, Bush bashing is attacking Bush, for reasons unrelated to the actual issue, or accusing him or doing something he had no impact on, or wasn't actually his fault/responsibility.

Calling Bush all kinds of names for doing FISA, and then praising Obama for the same thing, is Bush bashing. That's using the situation to be negative, when (apparently) it doesn't call for it. Wouldn't you agree?]]>281270

« ImNotBlue : Blindly following a politician is wrong... no matter what party!

And following one politician, simply because they...]]>

2008-06-27T12:28:59+01:002008-06-27T12:28:59+01:00« ImNotBlue : Blindly following a politician is wrong... no matter what party!

And following one politician, simply because they're from your party, while attacking another because they're not... even when their opinion on a particular issue is the same, is wrong too.

In my opinion, of course.Hmmm, and all this time I thought you considered pointing out such things was "Bush Bashing."

Of course it's wrong and has been for a long time even though some folks seem to think it's just been invented.]]>281257

« DerAlt : Yeah, right.

So part of the "fear" here is that Democrats will blindly follow Obama if he is president....j...]]>

2008-06-27T12:19:55+01:002008-06-27T12:19:55+01:00« DerAlt : Yeah, right.

So part of the "fear" here is that Democrats will blindly follow Obama if he is president....just what the Republicans have been doing with Bush for 7 years.Blindly following a politician is wrong... no matter what party!

And following one politician, simply because they're from your party, while attacking another because they're not... even when their opinion on a particular issue is the same, is wrong too.

In my opinion, of course.]]>281242

« ImNotBlue:I have thus far purposely avoided posting Olbermann stories... because, well, there are plenty of other blogs for that type of stuff......]]>

2008-06-27T12:02:11+01:002008-06-27T12:02:11+01:00« ImNotBlue:I have thus far purposely avoided posting Olbermann stories... because, well, there are plenty of other blogs for that type of stuff... and I really didn't want to get into all that on this one.

HOWEVER, because this story is as much about other partisans, Obama, the '08 election, and FISA laws... in addition to having been written by a committed liberal pundit (Greenwald... is bio is in the link)... I thought this story warranted a post.

Don’t want to get into a pundit flame war… not my intention. Forgive me if that’s an unfortunate consequence.Yeah, right.

So part of the "fear" here is that Democrats will blindly follow Obama if he is president....just what the Republicans have been doing with Bush for 7 years.]]>281211

HOWEVER, because this story is as much about other p...]]>

2008-06-27T11:29:04+01:002008-06-27T11:29:04+01:00
HOWEVER, because this story is as much about other partisans, Obama, the '08 election, and FISA laws... in addition to having been written by a committed liberal pundit (Greenwald... his bio is in the link)... I thought this story warranted a post.

Don’t want to get into a pundit flame war… not my intention. Forgive me if that’s an unfortunate consequence.]]>