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Posted: 4 months ago by siennablue:
Very funny article.
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Posted: 4 months ago by fentwin:
Funny. :)
I do agree there are quite a few people fawning over Mr. Obama. That tells me that after almost eight years of "misinformation" (i.e. Iraq, torture, Haliburton, ignoring supoenas, ad nauseam) and basically using the Constitution as TP, most Americans are ready for the US to take a different tack.
While I can't agree with the "cult of personality", I do support the man. There will still be corruption in government, but perhaps there will be competence as well
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Posted: 4 months ago by browntrout:
« fentwin:I do support the man. There will still be corruption in government, but perhaps there will be competence as well ...perhaps not.
Seriously, I'm not trying to bust your chops Fent, but the one thing I just don't get is how people can have so much faith in someone with NO track record.
I'm not real crazy about McCain but at least he has a history (good and bad) that I can make a judgement call on.
What exactly has Obama EVER done to warrant so much confidence? I'd like to hear any examples that support the assumption he would be a good leader and president.
And just for the record - Getting elected to the senate doesn't count. In Obama's case, he didn't even have an opponent when he was elected to office (Republican, Jack Ryan dropped out).
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Posted: 4 months ago by Rowangrey:
I'll take "no track record" over "flush the country down the toilet" any day. The unwashed masses flocking to Obama's shiny fresh face should be a sign to Republicans that they're "DOIN IT RONG".
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Posted: 4 months ago by browntrout:
« Rowangrey : I'll take "no track record" over "flush the country down the toilet" any day. The unwashed masses flocking to Obama's shiny fresh face should be a sign to Republicans that they're "DOIN IT RONG". Like I said... what has OBAMA done to give you confidence he can lead.
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Posted: 4 months ago by Rowangrey:
« browntrout : Like I said... what has OBAMA done to give you confidence he can lead. None. I'm going with the devil I don't know rather than the devil I know.
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Posted: 4 months ago by browntrout:
« Rowangrey : None. I'm going with the devil I don't know rather than the devil I know. Then you may still end up with "flush the country down the toilet"
I'm not trying to change your (or anyones) mind. Hell, I don't even like McCain. But I'd sure like to hear some reasons why we should vote FOR Obama instead of reasons NOT to vote for McCain.
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Posted: 4 months ago by Rowangrey:
« browntrout : Then you may still end up with "flush the country down the toilet"
I'm not trying to change your (or anyones) mind. Hell, I don't even like McCain. But I'd sure like to hear some reasons why we should vote FOR Obama instead of reasons NOT to vote for McCain. Hey, if I could cast my vote against McCain rather than for Obama, I would. But I can't, so I vote Obama.
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Posted: 4 months ago by fentwin:
« browntrout:
What exactly has Obama EVER done to warrant so much confidence? I'd like to hear any examples that support the assumption he would be a good leader and president.
And just for the record - Getting elected to the senate doesn't count. And in Obama's case, he didn't even have an opponent when he was elected to office (Republican, Jack Ryan dropped out). No chops busted. :)
You're questions are sincere and very reasonable.
I could go with the standard lines of "What was Bush's experience other than govenor?", but I think that cliche is well worn and the various opinions known.
Check out this link:
The Kos may be considered biased by some, but the data reported isn't as far as I know.
These are issues (see link) that I consider important. These are issues that can have tangible effects on people's lives. Extreme ideology has not served us well for the past seven years. Instead of legislating ideology and what I see as theocratic themes, I think its time for our government to actually benefit the people as a whole and not just "the base".
I perceive McCain as representing the present status quo. If I don't think something is working, I try a new approach.
Based on what I know of McCain's past and record, even if we were basing our judgement upon their track record alone, I think I would still vote for Obama.
« browntrout :...how people can have so much faith in someone with NO track record. No faith here, just playing the odds based on available information. :)
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Posted: 4 months ago by browntrout:
« fentwin: some rational thoughts... :) Much as I loathe the bias of Daily KOS, I'll take the time to read the link. However, my response may be better suited to the forum than here in this post.
In any event - thank you for at least trying to answer the question I posed.
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Posted: 4 months ago by vexingmodstwo:
« browntrout:...perhaps not.
Seriously, I'm not trying to bust your chops Fent, but the one thing I just don't get is how people can have so much faith in someone with NO track record.
I'm not real crazy about McCain but at least he has a history (good and bad) that I can make a judgement call on.
What exactly has Obama EVER done to warrant so much confidence? I'd like to hear any examples that support the assumption he would be a good leader and president.
And just for the record - Getting elected to the senate doesn't count. In Obama's case, he didn't even have an opponent when he was elected to office (Republican, Jack Ryan dropped out). I'm in the same boat.
Obama has literally done nothing in his career. They've created this lengthy resume about all the bills he "sponsored" as an Illinois State Senator but we all know how that works. "Hey, sign here and you can take some credit for it"
The only thing I've seen is he gives a hell of a speech. When he gave the keynote speech at the DNC in 2004 I was impressed and thought he might be a different kind of politician. I quickly saw that he wasn't. I almost believed him when he said that he wouldn't run for President because he thought it required more experience. When he threw his hat in the ring, that was when I started to question hard.
And now, with this circus? I'm convinced that he's a fraud and a supremely arrogant one at that. He is campaigning abroad like he's already President. There's no humility in him and that's dangerous when you have the kind of Rock Star appeal he has. The vast majority of his supporters have absolutely NO skepticism when it comes to him. He can do no wrong.
That concerns me.
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Posted: 4 months ago by dOntEAtpOOp:
« Rowangrey : Hey, if I could cast my vote against McCain rather than for Obama, I would. But I can't, so I vote Obama. If we had the option to vote against instead of for, I might actually vote.
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Posted: 4 months ago by ImNotBlue:
« Rowangrey : I'll take "no track record" over "flush the country down the toilet" any day. The unwashed masses flocking to Obama's shiny fresh face should be a sign to Republicans that they're "DOIN IT RONG". The polls tell a different story. Publicity is great... but for some reason, it doesn't seem to be transferring into significant numbers.
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Posted: 4 months ago by ImNotBlue:
« fentwin : The Kos may be considered biased by some, but the data reported isn't as far as I know. By some? By all... even the KOS!
Here the description from their "About" page:
Markos Moulitsas -- a.k.a. "kos" -- created Daily Kos on May 26, 2002, in those dark days when an oppressive and war-crazed administration suppressed all dissent as unpatriotic and treasonous. As a veteran, Moulitsas was offended that the freedoms he pledged his life for were so carelessly being tossed aside by the reckless and destructive Republican administration.
And here is Wiki's description:
Daily Kos (IPA: /koʊs/) is a political blog, publishing news and opinion from a left-leaning or Democratic point of view. It functions as a discussion forum and group blog for a variety of netroots activists, whose efforts are primarily directed toward influencing and strengthening the Democratic Party. Additionally, the site features a participatory political encyclopedia, glossaries, and other permanent content.
So there is no "some people," and there is no doubt. It is a left-wing, Democratic, progressive, etc. blog... designed to promote, disseminate, influence, people towards one point-of-view. That's not necessarily a bad thing, or a wrong thing... but is a fact.
I'm not commenting on the content of the article you linked to (mostly because it's late and I'm tired), but to suggest that only some consider it a biased source, is wrong. It is what it is.
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Posted: 4 months ago by fentwin:
« ImNotBlue:By some? By all... even the KOS!
Here the description from their "About" page:
And here is Wiki's description:
So there is no "some people," and there is no doubt. It is a left-wing, Democratic, progressive, etc. blog... designed to promote, disseminate, influence, people towards one point-of-view. That's not necessarily a bad thing, or a wrong thing... but is a fact.
I'm not commenting on the content of the article you linked to (mostly because it's late and I'm tired), but to suggest that only some consider it a biased source, is wrong. It is what it is.
"lol", Point well taken. :)
I was commenting just on the list of sponsored bills. Based on the bills listed, they seem to cover the issues I find important.
I don't appreciate the Obamessiah crowd. No one is perfect, we all have skeletons in our closets, and based on my "avatar" a few in the living room as well.
I think though that based on the direction this country has been taking for the past seven years or more, Obama may be the candidate to change that direction.
He's no savior, nor any other pseudo-spiritual mumbo jumbo messiah. I just think he's the better candidate.
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Posted: 4 months ago by fentwin:
It may seen silly and sentimental,
but THANKS to all you plimates for encouraging an atmosphere of reasonable debate and the opportunity to engage in civil discourse.
A breath of fresh air. :)
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Posted: 4 months ago by dOntEAtpOOp:
I always pictured his European Tour in a more Rock Legend regard than godly, but this was an amusing perspective none the less.
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Posted: 4 months ago by JoshSF49:
« vexingmodstwo :
And now, with this circus? I'm convinced that he's a fraud and a supremely arrogant one at that. He is campaigning abroad like he's already President. There's no humility in him and that's dangerous when you have the kind of Rock Star appeal he has. The vast majority of his supporters have absolutely NO skepticism when it comes to him. He can do no wrong.
That concerns me. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
Even if I liked the guy, I'd be afraid to vote for him, because he'd be too willing to take advantage of the power he has.
That, and I disagree with almost every stance he has...and the few that I liked he's changed his mind on.
Too many time has he said one thing and quickly switched to another to please the crowd.
FISA? Flag Pin? Running for President? Abortion? Gun Rights? IRAQ???
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Posted: 4 months ago by dagreatjohnbrown:
« fentwin : It may seen silly and sentimental,
but THANKS to all you plimates for encouraging an atmosphere of reasonable debate and the opportunity to engage in civil discourse.
A breath of fresh air. :) GO SMART PEOPLE
(except me of course :( )
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