FBI accused of using aggressive tactics in anthrax probe Posted: 3 months ago by tvirus
Before killing himself last week, Army scientist Bruce Ivins told friends that government agents had stalked him and his family for months, offered his son $2.5 million to rat him out and tried to turn his hospitalized daughter against him with photographs of dead anthrax victims.
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Posted: 3 months ago by 2manyusernames:
« tvirus : FBI accused of using aggressive tactics in anthrax...
Before killing himself last week, Army scientist Bruce Ivins told friends that government agents had stalked him and his family for months, offered his son $2.5 million to rat him out and tried to turn his hospitalized daughter against him with photographs of dead anthrax victims. Bravo. That is their job. They could try and ask "pretty please" to all criminals to turn themselves in, confess, give full details on actions and accessories, but that rarely works.
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Posted: 3 months ago by tvirus:
« 2manyusernames:Bravo. That is their job. They could try and ask "pretty please" to all criminals to turn themselves in, confess, give full details on actions and accessories, but that rarely works. Yeah, if they actually found enough evidence to be sure it was him, I'd be okay with it too. As it is, I feel like the FBI has really messed up this investigation. They have falsely accused someone in the case before, and they messed up his life pretty bad. I want some real proof that Ivins did it, because the speculation the FBI came up with is just not doing it for me.
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Posted: 3 months ago by bcgrote:
I was suspicious when I heard the news that the FBI was totally pinning the anthrax stuff on this guy. He HAD been a suspect, it's true, but that was nearly 7 years ago, and he wasn't charged or held.
It's just too convenient to say "yes, this is the man!" now that he is dead. It smacks of them trying to pacify us and assure us that they are still a competent agency regarding terrorism.
They SAY they found "new papers" in the deceased man's possessions, but really, does anyone trust the FBI?
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Posted: 3 months ago by tvirus:
I find it a little depressing that no one else on Plime seems too concerned.
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Posted: 3 months ago by shep182:
« 2manyusernames : Bravo. That is their job. They could try and ask "pretty please" to all criminals to turn themselves in, confess, give full details on actions and accessories, but that rarely works. Do you really think bribing witnesses and accosting relatives in the hospital is good investigation protocall? I'm all for prosecuting the guilty, but these heavy handed tactics rarely net the right person... it sounds to me like they wanted a prosecution, regardless of the evedence...
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Posted: 3 months ago by siennablue:
« tvirus : I find it a little depressing that no one else on Plime seems too concerned. Don't worry about it, many people take a good while to change a point of view they have had for many years.
The FBI has been under a lot of pressure from the white house to solve this case, to take away the bad taste from their trying to prove Iraq (Saddam) was responsible for the anthrax.
The main witness against Ivins, "Jean Duley" herself has a history that, at the very least, raises questions about her credibility. She has a rather lengthy involvement with the courts in Frederick, including two very recent convictions for driving under the influence -- one from 2007 and one from 2006 -- as well as a complaint filed against her for battery by her ex-husband.
Go to the Jean Duley link, it's all there and much more.
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Posted: 3 months ago by tvirus:
« shep182 they wanted a prosecution, regardless of the evedence... Exactly! They want to look like they're in control.
Remember in the book Fahrenheit 451, when they are chasing down the main character on live TV, but he escapes, so instead they shoot a random guy on the street and claim that they caught their guy. It's pretty much exactly like that.
I'm all for the FBI being tough on criminals, but I want to be sure that they are criminals first. Rather than secretly observing this guy, they made their presence known and openly monitored his every movement, taking his possessions and bribing his friends and family. The guy was already mentally unstable, and it's no wonder that he killed himself! Part of me wonders if that wasn't the plan all along...
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Posted: 3 months ago by tvirus:
« shep182 they wanted a prosecution, regardless of the evedence... Exactly! They want to look like they're in control.
Remember in the book Fahrenheit 451, when they are chasing down the main character on live TV, but he escapes, so instead they shoot a random guy on the street and claim that they caught their guy. It's pretty much exactly that.
I'm all for the FBI being tough on criminals, but I want to be sure that they are criminals first. Rather than secretly observing this guy, they made their presence known and openly monitored his every movement, taking his possessions and bribing his friends and family. The guy was already mentally unstable, and it's no wonder that he killed himself! Part of me wonders if that wasn't the plan all along...
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