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 Spending Godless Money
Spending Godless Money
For more than 10 years, Mitchell Kahle has spent only Godless money. Here’s what he says, “Using a red pen or stamp, I mark a circle and slash over the word “God” on every bill that passes my way. When I make a withdrawal from the bank ATM, I immediately “de-God” each of the crisp new $20s. picked by theamelianator 7 months ago
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 Mershaullk
7 months ago
I'll be doing this from now on.
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 Ellz
7 months ago
Uh, fine, if it's that important to him. I fail to see how this will make much of a difference other than to his personal pride, though.
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 Mershaullk
7 months ago
« Ellz : Uh, fine, if it's that important to him. I fail to see how this will make much of a difference other than to his personal pride, though.
It's to stir up awareness that having "In God We Trust" on our national currency is unconstitutional.
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 johnnytitan
7 months ago
« Mershaullk : It's to stir up awareness that having "In God We Trust" on our national currency is unconstitutional.
How is it unconstitutional?
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 sholom22
7 months ago
« Mershaullk : I'll be doing this from now on.
I concure
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 johnnytitan
7 months ago
Here's a transcript of the constitution if that helps.
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 Turtle
6 months ago
Mershaullk : I'll be doing this from now on. - Amen to that!
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 aclister
6 months ago
get a life

If you have enough time on your hands to concentrate on such ridiculous activities then good for you.

To coin a well known phrase (pun intended!) "it's only money"
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 Akstika
6 months ago
« johnnytitan : Here's a transcript of the constitution if that helps.
Ya, too bad you didn't link to the Bill of Rights, which is the part of the constitution that can be seen to support the argument. Also, about the unconstitutionality of it, you should take that to the supreme court.

As it is right now though, under United States Code, Title 18, Part 1 Chapter 17, § 333, he can be fined at the court's discretion or go to jail for six months, and that law definently IS constitutional, so he couldn't really take it to the supreme court, because they would never hear the case.

There's some legal ways to protest and many illegal ones, he just chose an illegal one.
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 icepigs
6 months ago
« Akstika :

There's some legal ways to protest and many illegal ones, he just chose an illegal one.
What's he doing that is illegal?
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 2manyusernam...
6 months ago
Icepigs, it is illegal to deface money. It isn't a crime that anyone is likely to be charged with, but it is a crime.

The whole idea of the seperation of church and state is not in the constitution and was not the intent of the founding fathers.

The concept came from a personal letter by Thomas Jefferson assuring a church that they didn't have to worry about laws that wouldn't allow them to practice their religion, that there wouldn't be an official religion.

The constitution merely states that no law will be passed that will prevent someone from worshiping who/what they choose and to even practice the religion as they choose (provided such worship doesn't break any laws or infringe on others rights)

The "in god we trust" is not unconstitutional. That is not an opinion. That is a fact.

In any case who the heck cares? Seriously one's life must be just incredible, filled with gumdrop trees and rivers of lemonaid if your biggest grief in life is the addition of "god" to our money.

Yes, you have religious freedom. Yes, that freedom allows you to not believe in a god. Having "god" on the money doesn't effect that unless you feel you are so weak-willed that seeing the word go on your money will brainwash you into believing in God.
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 copacetic
6 months ago
well i'm not trying to be a d**k here but i vaguely remember being taught at some point in school that the reason that they added "In God We Trust" to the dollar was because they were crossing the threshold of when a dollar was no longer worth a dollar of gold(although i am from North Carolina so they didn't teach me how to use periods) or they no longer had the reserve of one dollar worth of gold per note and so therefore "In God We Trust" was a fancy way of saying this dollar is only truly worth anything as long as you believe in it do you get me because i don't believe in periods either or god or the f**king dollar too much for that matter i think it's only worth about 75 cents.
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 imnotyoo
6 months ago
I just woke up. Eyes still blurry. I'll try to make sense, okay?

The major religion in this country is Christianity, no? So a whole bunch of people are going to like the "In God we trust" bit being on our currency. So, it's okay to them that it's on there. Now, I'm atheist. I do NOT like the "In God we trust" bulls**t being on our currency (separation of church and state?!!). Flip it around a little bit and make it say "In Allah we trust" or "In Buddha we trust". It would suddenly not be okay to have religious stuff on our money. There would be an outrage. But that's hypocritical. Why is it okay to have a religious thing on a federal thing? It's not.

Again, I just woke up. Please forgive any thought stuff that isn't fully awake yet.
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 2manyusernam...
6 months ago
« copacetic : well i'm not trying to be a d**k here but i vaguely remember being taught at some point in school that the reason that they added "In God We Trust" to the dollar was because they were crossing the threshold of when a dollar was no longer worth a dollar of gold(although i am from North Carolina so they didn't teach me how to use periods) or they no longer had the reserve of one dollar worth of gold per note..
The quoted part of what you wrote wasn't being a d**k, just misinformed. Read the link in my comment above to see the history of the motto
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 thenegativeo...
6 months ago
To be honest, I see absolutely no merit to what this guy is doing. I myself am a very anti-religion kind of person, but I think that this guy is just trying to cause a bit of controversy or draw some attention to himself. Is it worth that much effort just because you don't believe something?
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 dollyllama
6 months ago
« 2manyusernames : Icepigs, it is illegal to deface money. It isn't a crime that anyone is likely to be charged with, but it is a crime.

The whole idea of the seperation of church and state is not in the constitution and was not the intent of the founding fathers.

The concept came from a personal letter by Thomas Jefferson assuring a church that they didn't have to worry about laws that wouldn't allow them to practice their religion, that there wouldn't be an official religion.

The constitution merely states that no law will be passed that will prevent someone from worshiping who/what they choose and to even practice the religion as they choose (provided such worship doesn't break any laws or infringe on others rights)

The "in god we trust" is not unconstitutional. That is not an opinion. That is a fact.

In any case who the heck cares? Seriously one's life must be just incredible, filled with gumdrop trees and rivers of lemonaid if your biggest grief in life is the addition of "god" to our money.

Yes, you have religious freedom. Yes, that freedom allows you to not believe in a god. Having "god" on the money doesn't effect that unless you feel you are so weak-willed that seeing the word go on your money will brainwash you into believing in God.
As he points out in the article it is not illegal to deface money, it's illegal to deface it to the point where it cannot be used as currency any longer, there's a huge difference. Therefore putting a penny on the railroad tracks and having a train smooch it beyond recognition=illegal, drawing a picture, or writing on the bill=not illegal.

And I don't think it's the word "God" that's the biggest problem with the "In God We Trust" it's the "We". Who is we? Not I. Maybe we could just alter it to "In God Some Of Us Trust" Make everybody happy, I mean as long as they're constantly redesigning these bills anyway.
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 copacetic
6 months ago
« 2manyusernames : The quoted part of what you wrote wasn't being a d**k, just misinformed. Read the link in my comment above to see the history of the motto
Yes but i also think that it is because a dollar could no longer be brought to a bank and exchanged for an equal amount of gold. This saying is supposedly what makes the dollar worth something. and also a warning that this dollar is not worth what it truly represents our dollar is based on "NOTHING" in god we trust that we will be ok with this dollar based on nothing....please take this dollar from me it is backed on our mutual belief in god or mutual disbelief in god but true anarchist you are not because you still spend the damn dollar so thats fine really if you want to change the bill to say in his noodly appendage we trust i don't give a damn maybe it should say "in america we trust" but the world was a lot different back then america was just beginning to realize its future......not that your thing about communism isn't right i just do not believe you are seeing the full scope of it you see by going off of the "gold" standard and on the god standard we were embracing capitilism and free markets and that a dollar is a value of some standard of american "work" but the way i see it america is f**ked too much price cooperation....
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 hypersapien
6 months ago
« 2manyusernames :
The whole idea of the seperation of church and state is not in the constitution and was not the intent of the founding fathers.

The concept came from a personal letter by Thomas Jefferson assuring a church that they didn't have to worry about laws that wouldn't allow them to practice their religion, that there wouldn't be an official religion.
The phrase 'separation of church and state' isn't in the Constitution. The idea definitely is in the Constitution. The First Amendment says 'Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof'. Putting a religious phrase on our money is an endorsement of religion by the government and is flat-out unconstitutional.

« 2manyusernames :
The "in god we trust" is not unconstitutional. That is not an opinion. That is a fact.

In any case who the heck cares? Seriously one's life must be just incredible, filled with gumdrop trees and rivers of lemonaid if your biggest grief in life is the addition of "god" to our money.
So we're only allowed to try to fix our biggest griefs? This is an insult to everyone who doesn't believe in a god. The government is effectively saying that if you don't believe in a god then you aren't a real American.
« 2manyusernames :
Yes, you have religious freedom. Yes, that freedom allows you to not believe in a god. Having "god" on the money doesn't effect that unless you feel you are so weak-willed that seeing the word go on your money will brainwash you into believing in God.
You don't get it, do you? This is about not being condescended to by the government.
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 hypersapien
6 months ago
« thenegativeone : To be honest, I see absolutely no merit to what this guy is doing. I myself am a very anti-religion kind of person, but I think that this guy is just trying to cause a bit of controversy or draw some attention to himself. Is it worth that much effort just because you don't believe something?
He isn't doing it because of what he doesn't believe, he's doing it because of what he does believe: that the US Government has no business endorsing religion.

And I agree with him.
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 thenegativeo...
6 months ago
« hypersapien : He isn't doing it because of what he doesn't believe, he's doing it because of what he does believe: that the US Government has no business endorsing religion.

And I agree with him.
But either way, it's a futile effort. I'm not in the US, but I would agree, the government has no right to endorse relegion, however, irrespective of this, What is he achieving?
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