Spending Godless Money
Spending Godless Money
For more than 10 years, Mitchell Kahle has spent only Godless money. Here’s what he says, “Using a red pen or stamp, I mark a circle and slash over the word “God” on every bill that passes my way. When I make a withdrawal from the bank ATM, I immediately “de-God” each of the crisp new $20s. picked by theamelianator 9 months ago
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 chez
9 months ago
This guy needs a life.
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 tvirus
9 months ago
« thenegativeone : But either way, it's a futile effort. I'm not in the US, but I would agree, the government has no right to endorse relegion, however, irrespective of this, What is he achieving?
He's just helping raising awareness for the people who will use his money after he spends it. Sure, this isn't going to make the government take the phrase off the dollar, but it is a start. If the idea catches on then he will begin to amass more protesters like himself, and as the movement becomes bigger people will come up with more ways to promote their cause.
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 tragluk
9 months ago
« hypersapien : The phrase 'separation of church and state' isn't in the Constitution. The idea definitely is in the Constitution. The First Amendment says 'Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof'. Putting a religious phrase on our money is an endorsement of religion by the government and is flat-out unconstitutional.
What religeon does it establish by putting "In God we trust" on a peice of paper? And since when is Allah not someone's god? Perhaps for PC sake we should say "In a higher power some of us do and some of us do not choose to trust."

For that matter, we should start removing prayer at congress.. and get rid of all statues and sayings on famous landmarks which refer to God. And Heaven Forbid (heehe) we say "One Nation Under God" Because that's just poking the Atheists right in the eye.

When will the Atheists respect our rights to HAVE a God as part of our beliefs as much as we respect their right to not have to worship him?
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 2manyuse...
9 months ago
« hypersapien:The phrase 'separation of church and state' isn't in the Constitution. The idea definitely is in the Constitution. The First Amendment says 'Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof'. Putting a religious phrase on our money is an endorsement of religion by the government and is flat-out unconstitutional.
Actually it isn't. That is a common misconception. That phrase merely meant that there would be no official state-relion ala The Church of England. It didn't mean, nor was it the framers intent to disallow any mention of religion.

I guess the declaration of independance itself is unconsitutional (albeit retroactively) since it acknowledged there was a creator.

The use of the word god does not establish a religion, nor does it prohibit the practice of one.

This has been ruled on before. Your opinon may differ, but the courts and judges have ruled that it simply isn't.

« hypersapien
So we're only allowed to try to fix our biggest griefs?


I didn't say that and you know that. How about we stick to our top 414,854 griefs and than tackle little things like the word god on money?

« hypersapien
This is an insult to everyone who doesn't believe in a god. The government is effectively saying that if you don't believe in a god then you aren't a real American.
That is freaking hilarious. Really good one... Wait, you are joking right? Surely you don't think a little word is offending everyone who doesn't believe in God? I guarantee you 99.999% of athiest, agnostics, and pagans couldn't care less. It does not effect their lives any bit. Hell, I bet even Richard Dawkins doesn't lose sleep over the motto.

How the heck do you get the idea that having the phrase "in god we trust" mean that you are only a real american if you believe in god. That is silly and just rhetoric. No one is saying nor implying that. No one even truely feels that way.

If a simple phrase is enough to insult someone, to get them all riled up, wanting to protest and be an activist, they really need to cut down on the caffiene and relax.

« hypersapien You don't get it, do you? This is about not being condescended to by the government.
No, I get it. You, however are seeing things and creating problems where none exists. The phrase is not being condescending. Really.

Read my posts and comments. I am not some hyper-religious person. I cast great doubt on much of what the bible states to have happened. I am merely stating that the motto is not unconstitutional. That is not a matter of debate. As I said, it was ruled to be allowed by judges and courts with far more information on the subject than you or I.

That and being upset about such a little thing is very silly.

Than again, maybe we go even further. We should make it a crime for any government official while on the clock or in any sort of official duty to say the words "god bless you" after someone sneezes. After all the use of such a phrase means that if you don't believe in God you will not get better and you don't really want others to get better.
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 Lunarcad...
9 months ago
« 2manyusernames : Icepigs, it is illegal to deface money. It isn't a crime that anyone is likely to be charged with, but it is a crime.

The whole idea of the seperation of church and state is not in the constitution and was not the intent of the founding fathers.

The concept came from a personal letter by Thomas Jefferson assuring a church that they didn't have to worry about laws that wouldn't allow them to practice their religion, that there wouldn't be an official religion.

The constitution merely states that no law will be passed that will prevent someone from worshiping who/what they choose and to even practice the religion as they choose (provided such worship doesn't break any laws or infringe on others rights)

The "in god we trust" is not unconstitutional. That is not an opinion. That is a fact.

In any case who the heck cares? Seriously one's life must be just incredible, filled with gumdrop trees and rivers of lemonaid if your biggest grief in life is the addition of "god" to our money.

Yes, you have religious freedom. Yes, that freedom allows you to not believe in a god. Having "god" on the money doesn't effect that unless you feel you are so weak-willed that seeing the word go on your money will brainwash you into believing in God.
Very well said. I couldn't agree more.
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 imnotyoo
9 months ago
« tragluk : What religeon does it establish by putting "In God we trust" on a peice of paper? And since when is Allah not someone's god? Perhaps for PC sake we should say "In a higher power some of us do and some of us do not choose to trust."
There's a difference between 'god' and "God".

Allah is someone's god, but Allah is not God.

God with a capital G is the Christian's god. They didn't give him a name like all the other religions did. The Christians named their god God, much like naming a cat Cat.

Therefore, "In God we trust" refers to the Christian god, not just any ol' god.

For that matter, we should start removing prayer at congress.. and get rid of all statues and sayings on famous landmarks which refer to God. And Heaven Forbid (heehe) we say "One Nation Under God" Because that's just poking the Atheists right in the eye.

When will the Atheists respect our rights to HAVE a God as part of our beliefs as much as we respect their right to not have to worship him?
Wow, are you serious?

YES, prayer should be removed in congress, and the pledge should go back to how it was before they added the god bit in there.

I'm an atheist and I do respect your right to worship whatever you want. However, you do NOT have the right to impose your beliefs on me. And yes, having your religious things be a part of government IS imposing your beliefs on me. As a Christian (I assume), would you like to have Muslim prayers in your public schools, on your money, etc? I doubt it. As long as it's your religion in the government, it's fine right? Well not all Americans are Christians and Christianity should not be in American government.
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 2manyuse...
9 months ago
I have a much bigger problem with the taxes we pay to support churches.

If there is a true seperation of church and state, then churches should be treated as any other business. Tax them. Tax their income, tax their real estate, add sales tax to their merchandise, etc etc.

allow them to take tax write off for true charity work they do and yes, allow them to participate in politics (since they ignore that rule now anyhow)
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 2manyuse...
9 months ago
« imnotyoo : There's a difference between 'god' and "God".

Allah is someone's god, but Allah is not God.

God with a capital G is the Christian's god. They didn't give him a name like all the other religions did. The Christians named their god God, much like naming a cat Cat.

Therefore, "In God we trust" refers to the Christian god, not just any ol' god.

Wow, are you serious?

YES, prayer should be removed in congress, and the pledge should go back to how it was before they added the god bit in there.

I'm an atheist and I do respect your right to worship whatever you want. However, you do NOT have the right to impose your beliefs on me. And yes, having your religious things be a part of government IS imposing your beliefs on me. As a Christian (I assume), would you like to have Muslim prayers in your public schools, on your money, etc? I doubt it. As long as it's your religion in the government, it's fine right? Well not all Americans are Christians and Christianity should not be in American government.
I agree that there should not be tax-payer supported prayers in school. We shouldn't have to pay for such things. If they want to do it off the clock, fine.

Having school prayers is vastly different than the passive use of a phrase on money.
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 hypersap...
9 months ago
« tragluk : What religeon does it establish by putting "In God we trust" on a peice of paper? And since when is Allah not someone's god? Perhaps for PC sake we should say "In a higher power some of us do and some of us do not choose to trust."
Here's a better idea. Lets lose the phrase entirely and go back to E Pluribus Unum.

« tragluk :
For that matter, we should start removing prayer at congress..
Yes, we should.

« tragluk :
and get rid of all statues and sayings on famous landmarks which refer to God. And Heaven Forbid (heehe) we say "One Nation Under God" Because that's just poking the Atheists right in the eye.
Yes, we should get rid of that phrase from the pledge too. It was inserted in the 1950s as a direct result of McCarthyism.

« tragluk :
When will the Atheists respect our rights to HAVE a God as part of our beliefs as much as we respect their right to not have to worship him?
No one is denying that you have the right to believe in a god. You do not have the right to have the government force it on everyone else.
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 hypersap...
9 months ago
« 2manyusernames : Actually it isn't. That is a common misconception. That phrase merely meant that there would be no official state-relion ala The Church of England. It didn't mean, nor was it the framers intent to disallow any mention of religion.

I guess the declaration of independance itself is unconsitutional (albeit retroactively) since it acknowledged there was a creator.
The Declaration of Independence isn't US law. It was written before the United States even existed. Also, it uses the word 'creator' which might not necessarily be a god. Remember that the document was written by a Deist.

« 2manyusernames :
The use of the word god does not establish a religion, nor does it prohibit the practice of one.
The First Amendment doesn't say 'establish a religion'. It says 'respecting an establishment of religion'. The phrase 'In god we trust' might not endorse a specific religion, but it endorses religion in general over irreligion, which is just as bad.
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 imnotyoo
9 months ago
« 2manyusernames :
Having school prayers is vastly different than the passive use of a phrase on money.
Agreed. Let kids talk to invisible people in the sky all the want, just don't force the rest of them to do it in public schools.

Off topic: My kitty's tummy is making weird sounds.
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 icepigs
9 months ago
« 2manyusernames : Icepigs, it is illegal to deface money.
To 2Many: Actually, 2many - you're incorrect. You can draw or do whatever you want to money as long as you don't alter the denomination, the serial numbers, or make it unrecognizable.

If marking out the word "God" was enough to make it illegal, then there are thousands of Where's George users that could spend a lot of time in prison.

To everyone: As far as the whole religion thing goes, I chose not to get involved because it is a no-win situation no matter what you believe (because you will believe what you want - no matter what I say, you won't change your mind...and no matter what you say, I won't change mine).
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 hypersap...
9 months ago
« icepigs : To 2Many: Actually, 2many - you're incorrect. You can draw or do whatever you want to money as long as you don't alter the denomination, the serial numbers, or make it unrecognizable.

If marking out the word "God" was enough to make it illegal, then there are thousands of Where's George users that could spend a lot of time in prison.

To everyone: As far as the whole religion thing goes, I chose not to get involved because it is a no-win situation no matter what you believe (because you will believe what you want - no matter what I say, you won't change your mind...and no matter what you say, I won't change mine).
I do agree with that. You aren't going to change their minds about what they believe. They didn't arrive at their beliefs rationally, so rational arguments will have no affect.

We should take the time, however, to educate some of them on how they might be treating people who don't share their beliefs. If a person wants to believe in a god, that's fine. The second that they start insisting that other people need to believe in their god, they've crossed the line and their mistake needs to be pointed out to them.

Also, if they are abusing science to publicly justify their supernatural beliefs, spreading misinformation about what science says and how it works.
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 pulsisx
9 months ago
I have a little rubber stamp I used to use on one dollar bills that said "I grew hemp". looked like a little cartoon speach bubble on GW. Good fun for about a week.

Other fun is to use highlighters to apply garish makeup styles to dead presidents' faces.

Hail Satan
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 BrownTro...
9 months ago
Anyone have change for a dollar??

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 deedlezx
9 months ago
« BrownTrout : Anyone have change for a dollar??

you're funny!
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 Ellz
9 months ago
« pulsisx : I have a little rubber stamp I used to use on one dollar bills that said "I grew hemp". looked like a little cartoon speach bubble on GW. Good fun for about a week.

Other fun is to use highlighters to apply garish makeup styles to dead presidents' faces.

Hail Satan
This needs to be copy/pasted for posterity's sake.

LMAO.
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 scogosto...
3 months ago
First, scogostology.com believes that if the state is separate from the church, then the govt should not have included "In God We Trust" in the design of the dollar bills or place them in courts!

Christian priests and preachers like Robertson, Revs. Jackson and Sharpton should not be engaging in politics. Are these people aware of the US Constitution at all?

Secondly, money is not evil. It becomes evil when evil people use it in evil ways to do evils to other human beings. scogostology.com
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 lostsoul...
3 months ago
I wish I were American so that I could participate. I'll do my bit though.
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 mewhiten...
3 months ago
I just know these dollars will get to some Christian , who will notice and get super pissed off, because that seems to be an easy reaction for some Christians. Like on message I got on face book, demand I boycott a new "godless" nickel. I haven't seen this nickels, but would support them (I guess by spending them). Does that mean people in on the boycott will have huge hoards of these nickels?
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